Southard Flipper Full flat regrind

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Postby razorsharp » Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:02 pm

gpo1956 wrote:I've got to agree. I'm all for mods and "improvements", but to me that just destroys an already great knife. Tremendous waste to me. But, as others have said, to each his own.
At least I can say "mine cuts better than yours" LOL :p

Its not really a tremendous waste if the user likes it though is it?

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Postby razorsharp » Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:27 pm

Evil D wrote:Excellent work man...looks fantastic. My only issue with this particular knife/regrind is that I feel like that tang breakage issue might be pushed closer to reality with removing metal from anywhere behind the thumb hole. Probably just my own paranoia though. I'm torn on the idea either way, as I feel this knife (along with the Yo 2) really lose a lot of personality without that grind line down the blade, and sort of end up looking "faceless". As much as I like FFG, I really prefer the looks of just about any other kind of grind.
Im pretty sure the grind will have minimal to no effect on the tang strength :) I have reground a yo2 as well, it does get a little faceless but man, the performance increase is worth it.

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Postby Blerv » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:06 pm

I think I have 7 regrinds, 4 done by Travis and three by Southard. The overall thinnest is probably my ZDP-189 Stretch which is basically 2mm thick with a very shallow bevel. All of which hold up perfectly fine to normal EDC tasks. I haven't snapped a spine yet so having a thicker one really wouldn't benefit me at all. Same reason I don't really have any "hard use folders" anymore.

It's very rare that someone who gets a regrind is upset with it. The person set out to modify a production tool for a specific need and (hopefully) understands the trade-off of insanely thin geometry to durability. These aren't automatically re-designated as sushi knives, you just can't be careless.

The Travis-ized Southard lacks grind lines and a few logos. I don't doubt it slices like pure evil though. As for "destroying a great knife"; I guess it depends if you like looks more than slicing performance. It's probably a horrible pry bar. :rolleyes:
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Postby WorkingEdge » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:16 pm

Amazing job! Wish I had skills like that. If you do stone wash it would love to see follow up pics.

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Postby paladin » Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:41 pm

Dang Travis, as far as utility it's an upgrade. And on the aesthetics front, something that's built/modded for work is "beautiful" to me...just one man's opinion.
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Postby Evil D » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:03 pm

razorsharp wrote:Im pretty sure the grind will have minimal to no effect on the tang strength :) I have reground a yo2 as well, it does get a little faceless but man, the performance increase is worth it.
Yeah I'm still on the fence about my Yo 2, but when I do I might just be sending you both cause I do like how the Southard turned out.
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Postby Surfingringo » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:05 pm

razorsharp wrote:At least I can say "mine cuts better than yours" LOL :p

Its not really a tremendous waste if the user likes it though is it?
^this. I've seen a couple of these Southards with the ffg and I'm not a huge fan. I would not personally regrind a southard like this but "tremendous waste" is a bit much. :rolleyes: I've got a pacific salt that I reground the tip to a very fine point that suits my uses perfectly, but some would probably have completely different plans for the knife and much prefer the wider stock tip. Whatever. Horses for courses. What I know for sure is that you did a really nice job with it. Very impressive looking grind my friend! And I am quite sure that it is a huge improvement for your uses, the same way my salt is for mine. Enjoy!

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Postby Syncharmony » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:59 pm

razorsharp wrote:At least I can say "mine cuts better than yours" LOL :p

Its not really a tremendous waste if the user likes it though is it?
Hey, if an owner chooses to paint their Ferrari hot pink with lime green polka dots because it makes them happy, all the more power to them. Not suggesting this is that, just an example.

I personally really like the look of the hollow grind because it's different than all the other Spydie's I have. I also really love the stonewash! I have a lot of options if I want FFG, so I feel no compulsion to make my Southard a better slicer because I don't think it's a poor slicer to begin with. It does everything I want without complaint.

However, what you do with your knife is your business and if it makes you happy then ride that pony. What I would be interested in seeing is a video comparing a stock grind vs the modified FFG and see just how much of an improvement it is.
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Postby Cliff Stamp » Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:18 pm

Syncharmony wrote:Hey, if an owner chooses to paint their Ferrari hot pink with lime green polka dots because it makes them happy, all the more power to them.
He is changing the tool so the performance is increased, the analogy isn't at all applicable.

It certainly fits with the tag line that Sal uses in that he would make the knife which is the tool you carry for function rather than the piece you carry because it is pretty.

But if you buy knives for jewelry, its your money - some people actually use them however so they focus on function.

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Postby gpo1956 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:30 pm

Oh, ok. Everyone can have an opinion except me. I don't think I'm the one being defensive (or over dramatic) here. Changing the tool so the performance is increased? Seriously? Knives for jewelry? Where does this stuff come from? A customization job like this must be worth at $125. So, who wants to offer him $350 for it? Like I said, to each his own.

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Postby ABX2011 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:41 pm

Cliff Stamp wrote:He is changing the tool so the performance is increased, the analogy isn't at all applicable.

It certainly fits with the tag line that Sal uses in that he would make the knife which is the tool you carry for function rather than the piece you carry because it is pretty.

But if you buy knives for jewelry, its your money - some people actually use them however so they focus on function.
Your analogy isn't good either. A knife's aesthetic is very important to me and to most who spend $200 for a Southard. But no one knows it's a fancy knife inside my pocket, invisible except for the clip. It isn't jewelry. A stock Southard is plenty functional for most.
Not that I'd object to a regrind with a wheel.

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Postby senorsquare » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:05 pm

gpo1956 wrote:Oh, ok. Everyone can have an opinion except me. I don't think I'm the one being defensive (or over dramatic) here. Changing the tool so the performance is increased? Seriously? Knives for jewelry? Where does this stuff come from? A customization job like this must be worth at $125. So, who wants to offer him $350 for it? Like I said, to each his own.
One man's "waste" is another man's improvement. My southard regrind cost me $55 and provided a huge improvement in cutting performance and in turn increased the knife's value to me. In fact I liked it so much I contemplated buying another southard so I could have that one reground too. Like you said though, to each his own.

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Postby razorsharp » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:51 pm

gpo1956 wrote:Oh, ok. Everyone can have an opinion except me. I don't think I'm the one being defensive (or over dramatic) here. Changing the tool so the performance is increased? Seriously? Knives for jewelry? Where does this stuff come from? A customization job like this must be worth at $125. So, who wants to offer him $350 for it? Like I said, to each his own.
If somebody asked me to do this I'd actually charge about 35 dollars :p

Your opinion is valid man. I don't agree with it, but thats only me. :) Nobody meant grief

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Postby razorsharp » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:54 pm

ABX2011 wrote:Your analogy isn't good either. A knife's aesthetic is very important to me and to most who spend $200 for a Southard. But no one knows it's a fancy knife inside my pocket, invisible except for the clip. It isn't jewelry. A stock Southard is plenty functional for most.
Not that I'd object to a regrind with a wheel.
Cliff kinda hit the nail on the head for me. I bought it for design and use, but I wanted increased performance, to fit in with "use" as I plan to use this through most of each week. and now I'm contemplating a cf scale for "design" if that made sense :)

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Postby Evil D » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:03 am

Whoa lighten up Francis.
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Postby razorsharp » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:37 am

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Been playing with finishes. I really like this finish but may end up stonewashing it. By doing this horizontal satin, in the process of taking out the grind lines z I ended up doing a true zero grind, though I ant to thicken it a little (IL have no choice but to thicken it if I stonewash it)

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Postby NoFair » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:52 am

Looks nice, I'd go with a stone washed finish though.

I'd love to see a hollow regrind on a Southard to make it thinner behind the edge. I've thinned down the edge on mine, but no regrind.

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Postby Surfingringo » Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:39 am

I agree. This finish looks nicer than the vertical grind IMO but I believe the stonewash will look better still on this particular blade.

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Postby Evil D » Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:56 am

I love the horizontal but I hate that most scratches happen against the grain and show up much more. I would definitely stick with stonewash to match the handle finish and it would look more factory I think.
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Postby Blerv » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:02 am

gpo1956 wrote:Oh, ok. Everyone can have an opinion except me. I don't think I'm the one being defensive (or over dramatic) here. Changing the tool so the performance is increased? Seriously? Knives for jewelry? Where does this stuff come from? A customization job like this must be worth at $125. So, who wants to offer him $350 for it? Like I said, to each his own.
It's not what you said but how you said it. When playing the brutally honest game it's fair to expect other participants.

Folding knives (especially Spydies) are performance tools first and foremost. Many people with regrinds find them superior in nearly every way for this. You should try one sometime.
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