Having both, I couldn't agree more, but sprints are fun to contemplate. :)Blerv wrote:Otherwise having the Bradley Folder and Air as normal production is pretty awesome.
Y u no cpm-m4?
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I'd go for either PM2 or Endura, but I would really like to see more lightweight, affordable FRN models such as Endura in higher performance steels like M4. I can't afford another PM2, but really appreciate the endura and delica platforms.Screwdriver wrote:I have more blades in carbon than I do stainless....just a little common sense and you will not have an issue with rust. I would love an M4 PM2 or Endura.
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If that were the only aspect that matters, H1 or Ti (among others) would be regarded as the best steel available, but that's hardly the case.knivefanatic wrote:I don't understand the mentality of m4 being a good steel because it rusts so easily, arent good steels supposed to be rust resistant?
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Don't forget 440A. HahaEvil D wrote:If that were the only aspect that matters, H1 or Ti (among others) would be regarded as the best steel available, but that's hardly the case.
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It isn't considered a good steel because it is easy to rust, similar to you would not for example say hemp is a good rope material because it can rot. People who would rate M4 as a good knife steel do so because of its positive properties such as ease of sharpening and high edge holding which can exceed common stainless steels like ATS-34. They are willing to sacrifice the low corrosion resistance to obtain those other properties. Just like people would say hemp is a good rope material not because it rots, but because they may not be using it in conditions where it rots so they don't need that, just like they may not be using a knife in corrosive conditions so it doesn't matter that the M4 isn't stainless.knivefanatic wrote:I don't understand the mentality of m4 being a good steel because it rusts so easily, arent good steels supposed to be rust resistant?
There are a lot of different attributes of steel, and it's possible for some to be "good" while others are "not good". It's almost impossible to find a knife that's "best" in every way.knivefanatic wrote:I don't understand the mentality of m4 being a good steel because it rusts so easily, arent good steels supposed to be rust resistant?
My Manix 2 M4 is easy to sharpen, takes a very nice edge, and holds the edge for a long time. It's also pretty tough (meaning that the edge doesn't seem to chip very easily). It's better in all of these ways than my Manix 2 s30v. The trade off for getting "better" in all these categories is that it's "worse" in corrosion resistance.
I'm in the habit of wiping it with Tough Glide every morning when I put it in my pocket and every night when I take it out. That seems to be plenty good enough.
You can get knives in steel that's better in most (or all categories) but that can be far more expensive. M4 is a great performer in many ways, but is non-stainless. The same is true of K390 and 3V. They're great (and high end) steels that trade off corrosion resistance (i.e. they're not stainless) for high marks in most (if not all) other areas.
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IMO M4 is a great steel and I'k like to see it as an option on existing models. The Manbug, Stretch, D'fly2 and others can be gotten with VG-10 or ZDP-189. I'd love to see a D'fly2 in VG10 and also M4. It is more apt to rust than stainless steels but from my experience it isn't hard to prevent rust with any number of anti-corrosion products. Tuf-Glide/cloth for me. But, I don't work on a shrimp boat or any other lifestyle where corrosion is a major problem. But if I did I think Tuf-Glide would protect the M4 blades. I'd like to hear some experiences of people who do live on the coast. But I'd vote for more M4 if I were asked. I have a D'fly2 on pre-order only because it will have a SB blade. If this sprint had M4 I'd have it on pre-order also I'm sure.
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Not at all true - some of the best cutlery and tool steels are not rust resistant. Historically, good performance meant NOT stainless. High performance stainless steels are a very recent development.knivefanatic wrote:I don't understand the mentality of m4 being a good steel because it rusts so easily, arent good steels supposed to be rust resistant?
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I'm on board for more M4, SB (pssst, K294 ) I even like the carbon steel Opinel uses, which, as far as I know, is nothing special, but it works great and I love their thin bladed designs.
Corrosion is not a big issue for me and I get edges that are, for whatever reason, sharper. No coatings or laminates, please. As mentioned, you can't coat the edge, anyway.
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Corrosion is not a big issue for me and I get edges that are, for whatever reason, sharper. No coatings or laminates, please. As mentioned, you can't coat the edge, anyway.
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Ken held a gun to my head and made me buy an Opinel. Thanks Ken. :) How about an Opinel with M4. Maybe the wrong forum for this request. :Dkbuzbee wrote:I'm on board for more M4, SB (pssst, K294 ) I even like the carbon steel Opinel uses, which, as far as I know, is nothing special, but it works great and I love their thin bladed designs.
Corrosion is not a big issue for me and I get edges that are, for whatever reason, sharper. No coatings or laminates, please. As mentioned, you can't coat the edge, anyway.
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