Spyderco Knives and the "Economic Collapse"

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Postby PMBohol » Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:35 am

"The Simpsons had a great episode about preppers, which argued that we shouldn't be obsessed about protecting ourselves from one another but rather helping one another out and maintaining a community. I'd be interested to hear how you guys feel about this notion."

I find that the more prepared you are then you can help others more readily. A few months ago we had a major earthquake here where I live. I have always tried to be prepared and we had plenty of food and water. We checked on the neighbors and then our family to see if everyone was okay and if they needed anything. We had similar experiences back in the States when we had major storms/flooding. It doesn't take much to start. Ramen noodles are cheap and easy to make. In the States the government reminds all of us that in a major calamity, we are on our own for the first 72 hours or so. I would make it a week if it is major and depending on where you live. A lot of people expect services just hours after. Some just will not understand sadly.

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Postby Evil D » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:38 am

Personally I haven't thrown a bottle cap away since '06, you know just in case.

People have been yelling about the end as long as time as existed. If something of that nature were to really happen, gold and silver will be your least of worries, it'll be food/water/shelter/guns/ammo.
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Postby The Deacon » Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:53 am

SpyderEdgeForever wrote:I was talking with a friend who believes strongly that there will be a coming economic collapse in America and the Western world, in the next 1-10 years, and I told him about my love for Spyderco knives. He says people should purchase tangible material goods that have trade and barter value, such as toilet paper and knives, and he is an advocate of gold and silver.
Sounds like a sales pitch to me. Does he, perchance, sell gold and silver? Do you?
SpyderEdgeForever wrote:my question for all of you:

1 Is this idea of a coming economic collapse a real likelihood, or is this more "doomster fear" like critics of it say?
I'm 68 years old and can't remember a time when someone wasn't predicting that global thermonuclear war, economic collapse, or a combination of them, was right around the corner. Hasn't happened yet, so my money would be on those with "prepper" supplies to sell feeding the paranoid fears of the preppers for their own profit.
SpyderEdgeForever wrote:2 If it did happen like he said, would it be that easy or doable, to set up on the street or with your neighbors, friends, and other people, and trade Spydies and toilet paper for food or vice versa? (he advocates having alot of dried foods on hand, too, as well as water and even alcohol and cigarettes which he said are good trade items in such times)?

Or, would government just come in and seize/confiscate it, and, would there be a danger of roving gangs not wanting to trade with you, but rather, just steal from you at gun/weapon point?
"If" the economy were to truly collapse, then the rule of law would collapse very quickly thereafter. There would be no neat and tidy barter economy. Would you really want to sell a knife to someone who was larger, younger, and/or stronger than you? How often do you think that scenario would play out well for you?

Beyond that, despite your trying to weave Spyderco products into this, I'm pretty sure it's abut as OT as things get, and **** hard to keep apolitical.
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Postby JNewell » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:04 am

If I wanted a Spyderco to protect me from real risks, I'd look for a couple of blades. The first would be a seatbelt cutter and the second would be a scalpel. ;) Your chances of encountering death or serious physical danger from drunk/distracted drivers or cancer are far, far, far higher than the risk of global economic and social collapse.

It's a lot more fun to kick around topics like economic and social collapse, however. :rolleyes:

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Postby chuck_roxas45 » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:55 am

Zombie apocalypse anyone?

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Postby Chumango » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:37 am

People are capable of many things when they are scared and hungry. It may only be on a local scale, perhaps on a larger scale, but it may not take as much as some think to tip the scales. Hopefully this will never happen.

Ask the folks in Argentina what happened with their economic collapse in 2001. A lot to be learned there from their experience. Life continues despite lawlessness and corruption, so it becomes a question of how to survive those conditions. See Fernando Aguirre's book, Surviving the Economic Collapse. The things that will be useful in situations like that may surprise you.

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Postby wrdwrght » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:41 am

Make no mistake, TEOTWAWKI inevitably involves the active killing of people (...not zombies). How is this activity not a political subject and, therefore, outside the bounds of this forum?

That said, if TEOTWAWKI is so horrific a prospect, why is it that gearheads (especially) spend so much thought and effort prepping for it, rather than fighting tooth and nail to avoid it? The answer is assuredly a political subject and, therefore, outside the bounds of this forum...

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Postby Syncharmony » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:05 am

I would collect ammo if the world was really going to head into some post-apocalyptic wasteland.

I would also buy any of the tools needed to handcraft knives, swords, arrows, etc and learn those skills. That expertise would be far more valuable than just having a collection of stuff to sell.
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Postby arty » Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:43 am

This is clearly political, and I won't provide my interpretation.

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Postby springnr » Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:58 am

Fear sells

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Postby Evil D » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:35 pm

arty wrote:This is clearly political, and I won't provide my interpretation.
By posting in it, you effectively bumped it back up to the top, supporting its development. "..if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice".
wrdwrght wrote:Make no mistake, TEOTWAWKI inevitably involves the active killing of people (...not zombies). How is this activity not a political subject and, therefore, outside the bounds of this forum?

That said, if TEOTWAWKI is so horrific a prospect, why is it that gearheads (especially) spend so much thought and effort prepping for it, rather than fighting tooth and nail to avoid it? The answer is assuredly a political subject and, therefore, outside the bounds of this forum...
I'm missing the part about where politics come into play when discussing survival? I haven't seen anyone delve into why the economy may crash, such as blaming one political party or the other, the president, etc. From what I've read, this thread has nothing more political than your average self defense thread, which happens quite often around here and is apparently totally acceptable.
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Postby JNewell » Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:38 pm

Well, how's this for on-topic...if the economy collapses, Spyderco and all of the other sophisticated businesses, both service and manufacturing, will fail completely. So, you'll want to know how to turn files and leaf springs into edged tools. :) BTW, I wonder how many here still drive cars with leaf springs??? :eek:

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Postby arty » Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:39 pm

Once you start talking about inflation, there is a political message. I am more concerned about deflation, as another poster mentioned.
Deflation is real right now.

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Postby wrdwrght » Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:41 pm

Evil D wrote:I'm missing the part about where politics come into play when discussing survival
Yes, I believe you are.

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Postby Evil D » Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:41 pm

JNewell wrote:Well, how's this for on-topic...if the economy collapses, Spyderco and all of the other sophisticated businesses, both service and manufacturing, will fail completely. So, you'll want to know how to turn files and leaf springs into edged tools. :) BTW, I wonder how many here still drive cars with leaf springs??? :eek:
Lots of trucks still use them. My '98 Cherokee and I believe most Cherokees that followed used them in the back.
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Postby Invective » Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:49 pm

Evil D wrote:Lots of trucks still use them. My '98 Cherokee and I believe most Cherokees that followed used them in the back.
Funny coincidence, I just found a leaf spring last night while biking back from class. Stopped off and picked it up because, hey, free leaf spring. I also found just half a leaf spring a few years back (no idea what happened to the other half or the car lol).

Also, a lot of trailers have them too I believe. We have one sitting in our side yard with 4 springs per side, so thats 8 total.

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Postby Stuart Ackerman » Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:12 pm

If I may paraphrase Deacon's closing words in post # 22?

Life is short...Weave Spyderco products into the Fabric of Life... :)

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Postby Syncharmony » Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:29 pm

I sat here for a few minutes wondering if TEOTWAWKI was some sort of native american word for economic collapse or maybe Samoan or Inuit or something. Then I googled it and now I feel extra dumb.
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Postby wrdwrght » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:01 pm

Syncharmony wrote:I sat here for a few minutes wondering if TEOTWAWKI was some sort of native american word for economic collapse or maybe Samoan or Inuit or something. Then I googled it and now I feel extra dumb.
I, too, was perplexed when I first saw this strange word. :)

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Postby dbcad » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:21 pm

The average American media consumer is woefully lousy at correctly evaluating the "worth" of the media they consume.

Far too many whacky conspiracy theories are read, watched, and believed without even an attempt to get another view.

I'll concern myself with staying employed.
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