Just picked up a Spyderco Blackhawk . . .

[Onionman]

At a local knife show this past weekend. What intrigued me about this knife are the G-10 handles with NO liner. I never could understand why all of the G-10 knives made by Spyderco today have liners. The G-10 handle on the Blackhawk does not flex at all, so I see no point adding the weight of a SS liner. Does anyone know why Spyderco does not make linerless G-10 knives anymore?

[twinboysdad]

they do...Google search "spyderco salt", all linerless FRN. And the Dodo is linerless G10. I agree dude, G10 is way strong enough to need liners.

[Invective]

Can't thread screws into plain G-10, it's strong but not enough to be able to hold the screw threading. Liners are usually so you can place a non-wire pocket clip, as far as I'm aware.

[mattman]

Agree with Invective... most applications with liners are for for-way clip options.

[The Deacon]

Can't thread screws into plain G-10, it's strong but not enough to be able to hold the screw threading. Liners are usually so you can place a non-wire pocket clip, as far as I'm aware.

Exactly G-10, CF, and Micarta just don't work well with the fine threads needed to retain small screws. Spyderco has done unlined G-10 with a wire clip, but gave up on doing it with the three screw clips back around 2000. There's also the issue of flex. G-10 is strong, but not all that rigid, and folks tend to equate flex with weakness.

[Jay_Ev]

they do...Google search "spyderco salt", all linerless FRN.

The OP was specifically asking about G-10, not FRN.

[twinboysdad]

and you cut off the rest of my sentences where I stated the Dodo was G10!

[twinboysdad]

Also, wire clips rule so the clip argument does not help liners :spyder:

[Jazz]

Nice find. Enjoy your Blackhawk!

I'd love to see a linerless G10 LOCKING UKPK. The G10 one is fabulous, except for the no lock thing, and it looks better than the Caly, and has a better choil. Been wishing for this for a long time.

[Evil D]

If there's a clip on that knife, chances are good it has some amount of liner. You can't tap G10 very well. Even the Dodo which a lot of people think is linerless has a small nested liner for the clip to screw into. Liners also add strength and reduce pivot flex.

[GronK]

. . .but the clip screws into G10 and rising collector value made me park it in favor of an FRN Native which has now been replaced by the forum Native 5.

[Evil D]

See...there's a reason the clip is screwed in the spot it's in...that's where the liner is.

[Onionman]

I replaced the original clip with a deep pocket clip, but didn't think to look for a liner. I'll have to take a look and see

[GronK]

See...there's a reason the clip is screwed in the spot it's in...that's where the liner is.

They did a sprint run in about 2002 with a liner added but my original has none at all.

[The Deacon]

See...there's a reason the clip is screwed in the spot it's in...that's where the liner is.

There's no liners, it's a midlock. The original version of the Renegade, and the original G-10 version of the Blackhawk, had no liners.

They did a sprint run in about 2002 with a liner added but my original has none at all.

That wasn't the Blackhawk, it was the Renegade, and it wasn't exactly a Sprint, more a "found a crate of old parts laying around" run.

[Jay_Ev]

and you cut off the rest of my sentences where I stated the Dodo was G10!

The Dodo also isn't linerless, it has a little liner in there :)

[GronK]

That wasn't the Blackhawk, it was the Renegade, and it wasn't exactly a Sprint, more a "found a crate of old parts laying around" run.

A quote from 11/20/2001 by Sal that seems to indicate both were offered:

"I just received a sample of the reborn Renegade and Blackhawk models. Very nice.

A few minor changes from the original version;

The "cut out" in the handle to access the opening now is cut out on both front scale (as before) and the back scale.

There is a single stainless liner for the clip screws. I think the fit, finish and general quality are better.

They should be available shortly.

sal "

Also, pics of all three variants in this thread http://www.spyderco.com/forums/showthre ... -completed!

[The Deacon]

A quote from 11/20/2001 by Sal that seems to indicate both were offered:

"I just received a sample of the reborn Renegade and Blackhawk models. Very nice.

A few minor changes from the original version;

The "cut out" in the handle to access the opening now is cut out on both front scale (as before) and the back scale.

There is a single stainless liner for the clip screws. I think the fit, finish and general quality are better.

They should be available shortly.

sal "

Also, pics of all three variants in this thread http://www.spyderco.com/forums/showthre ... -completed!

My bad. For some reason, I was thinking they'd only had Renegades finished in Japan.

[Evil D]

There's no liners, it's a midlock. The original version of the Renegade, and the original G-10 version of the Blackhawk, had no liners.

So are the screws tapped into nothing but G10 then?

[GronK]

So are the screws tapped into nothing but G10 then?

That is correct. Not the most secure mounting. That's why they included a small liner to screw into when they did the 2002 run.