Backup Weapon - Endura Wave vs Matriarch 2 Wave

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Backup Weapon - Endura Wave vs Matriarch 2 Wave

Postby Goomba » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:24 pm

Hey gang,

I am looking for a defensive blade to carry on my weak side as a backup to my EDC firearm.
I decided I wanted to try the Emerson Wave that Spyderco offers.
Which one of these should I go for? Note: I already carry a daily utility blade, this would be a purely self-defense oriented blade.

Or should I just get a fixed blade like a TDI?

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Thanks for the input everyone!
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Postby mrphotoman » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:30 pm

Where do you live that requires to be packing so much to protect yourself?

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Postby ginsuwarrior » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:32 pm

mrphotoman wrote:Where do you live that requires to be packing so much to protect yourself?
A very dark cubicle.

To the OP -> Matriarch 2 would be my choice.

You mentioned TDI..I believe the Karahawk coming soon?? involves aspects of the TDI, coupled with emerson waving, maybe you should look into that.

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Postby Goomba » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:32 pm

mrphotoman wrote:Where do you live that requires to be packing so much to protect yourself?


"You don't NEED a knife, what are you going to do, STAB SOMEONE?!"

Please just stop with this soccermom argument. If you don't have anything to contribute then go to the next thread.
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Postby CarbonFiberNut » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:34 pm

Goomba wrote:"You don't NEED a knife, what are you going to do, STAB SOMEONE?!"

Please just stop with this soccermom argument. If you don't have anything to contribute then go to the next thread.
No need to be so nasty, it's a valid question, especially considering that you are already carrying a utility knife and a gun.
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Postby Goomba » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:36 pm

CarbonFiberNut wrote:No need to be so nasty, it's a valid question, especially considering that you are already carrying a utility knife and a gun.
Well, in that case, I live in Florida, and my name rhymes with "Borge Bimmerman". These streets can be pretty dark and mean.
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Postby Donut » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:42 pm

I would say carry nothing less than what your self defense training works well with. Anything else would be silly.
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Postby CarbonFiberNut » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:46 pm

Goomba wrote:Well, in that case, I live in Florida, and my name rhymes with "Borge Bimmerman". These streets can be pretty dark and mean.
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Donut wrote:I would say carry nothing less than what your self defense training works well with. Anything else would be silly.

This right here would be the correct answer. You do have training and practice regularly with a trainer model, don't you?
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Postby Goomba » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:54 pm

If I already was invested in a trainer I probably wouldn't be posting this ****ing thread, now would I? Also, Spyderco doesn't make a Matriarch 2 Trainer last time I checked. The whole point of this thread was that I wanted to try an Waved Spyderco out for weak-side carry and I wanted some input. The only "trainers" I have now are blue guns. I am looking to get a little more experienced with a defensive blade.
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Postby Orlando De Free » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:20 pm

I would think that a waved serrated Matriarch would be an ideal SD knife for the untrained citizen. Easy to conceal, light, easy to open and doesn't take much skill to deploy into a assailant or yourself.

That's my answer if this was a serious question, however if you are just trolling for the sake of controversy I suggest that you act a bit more mature in the Spyderco forum.
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Postby Goomba » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:34 pm

Thanks for the suggestion, Orlando De Free. I appreciate it.
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Postby Minibear453 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:13 pm

Matriarch slashes very well, but can't stab. Endura can slash pretty well and can stab as well. IF I were to do such a thing, I would go with the Endura, mostly because my left hand (weak hand), is not very well coordinated and I am most comfortable with a tip down grip. In such a position, stabbing is almost essential. (Unless one's skilled in pikal. Which I definitely am not.)
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Postby zhyla » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:14 pm

I don't see the point of a folder as a retention weapon. They just take too long to deploy, wave or no. If I'm in the middle of a deadly contact and there's a struggle over a firearm I would prefer a fixed blade.

As an actual backup weapon though, it's a pretty lousy day when a statistically unlikely deadly conflict arises, against the odds you actually need to fire, and on top of all that your firearm either jams or runs dry. Money and brain cells are best saved for things that will actually happen.

Or just buy what looks pretty.
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Postby Goomba » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:20 pm

zhyla wrote:it's a pretty lousy day when a statistically unlikely deadly conflict arises, against the odds you actually need to fire, and on top of all that your firearm either jams or runs dry. Money and brain cells are best saved for things that will actually happen.
Very well put. I definitely wont lose sleep over the infinitesimally small chance of this happening. I just want to have another option. If for nothing else just to have something to mess around with and gain proficiency with.
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Postby Minibear453 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:38 pm

zhyla wrote:I don't see the point of a folder as a retention weapon. They just take too long to deploy, wave or no. If I'm in the middle of a deadly contact and there's a struggle over a firearm I would prefer a fixed blade.
That is true. I guess folders do have size going for them. Carriability so to speak. For us Californians, we can't legally conceal a fixed blade, and I'm not a fan of letting others know I have a knife on me. So I didn't really see that option. But if you can, a fixed blade would be better.
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Postby zhyla » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:42 pm

Minibear453 wrote:For us Californians, we can't legally conceal a fixed blade
Yes, but we also don't have to worry about retaining a firearm during a fight :) .
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Postby TomAiello » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:21 am

Have you considered a back up gun, instead of a back up knife? Maybe a revolver pocket or ankle carried on the weak side?

I have no idea what your daily situation is like, and if you will ever need to defend yourself, but (a) that's not my business, (b) you have the right to self defense (armed however you wish), and (c) it's always better to have and not want than the reverse.

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Postby TomAiello » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:23 am

zhyla wrote:Yes, but we also don't have to worry about retaining a firearm during a fight :) .
Depends on where you live. I have friends in Bishop and Mt Shasta who carry every day.

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Postby Blerv » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:41 am

Which one do you prefer? Ballistics are such a small part of the defense scenario it's almost not worth the discussion. If the question was Dfly2 vs Endura, then it is.
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Postby Clip » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:56 am

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