upgrading your washers?

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upgrading your washers?

Postby God'sMyJudge » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:26 pm

Are there better washers for the pm2? If so, where can you find them?

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Postby God'sMyJudge » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:31 pm

or even just replacements... i think one of mine is misshapen or bent

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Postby Barman » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:48 pm

I don't know about better but Knife Kits has washers.
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Postby JNewell » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:53 pm

Unless you have the exact dimensions and can match them from a knife parts supplier, you're better off calling Spyderco and seeing if they'll bend the rules and send you the washers.

There really isn't any upgrade from phosphor bronze.

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Postby Evil D » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:55 pm

I would also like to know a source for thicker washers. I believe some knives like the Para 2 could benefit from some custom fit washers to fine tune side to side blade play. Even if I had to and sand/polish them down to a particular thickness, I would if I had a source for the right size washers.
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Postby JNewell » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:24 pm

Most Para2s can have lateral play adjusted with the pivots. I've got 13 of them, and my adult sons have several more, and none of them has unadjustable lateral play, although I know that there are knives with that problem. In that case, a thicker washer is IMHO a better idea than trying to fit the pivot by hand, but tracking down the right size would probably be a PITA. :( There are a couple of parts vendors that have a pretty big selection - they might have something that would work. I think I'd start with USAKnifemaker.

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Postby Evil D » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:37 pm

JNewell wrote:Most Para2s can have lateral play adjusted with the pivots. I've got 13 of them, and my adult sons have several more, and none of them has unadjustable lateral play, although I know that there are knives with that problem. In that case, a thicker washer is IMHO a better idea than trying to fit the pivot by hand, but tracking down the right size would probably be a PITA. :( There are a couple of parts vendors that have a pretty big selection - they might have something that would work. I think I'd start with USAKnifemaker.

Yeah any play can be tuned out by the pivot at the sacrifice of a free swinging blade. I think with the right washer tolerance you could crank down the pivot completely and gave a free moving blade and no play at all. Ill live with a tiny bit of play for a free swinging blade but I think I could get both with the right washers.
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Postby Pockets » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:15 pm

I know it has a totally different locking system, but I've been able to get my BM 710 to have barely any play and swing freely, although it takes some experimentation. One interesting thing, though, is that the washers are massive compared to the washers on my Delica and Stretch, in both diameter and thickness. Do any of you know how that might affect play/swinging?
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Postby bpeezer » Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:34 pm

I've found that darn near any knife (well, any GOOD knife) can swing freely if you make sure the lock isn't affecting the blade at all. The only exception I can think of is my Emerson.

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Postby JNewell » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:17 am

Evil D wrote:Yeah any play can be tuned out by the pivot at the sacrifice of a free swinging blade. I think with the right washer tolerance you could crank down the pivot completely and gave a free moving blade and no play at all. Ill live with a tiny bit of play for a free swinging blade but I think I could get both with the right washers.
You probably know this, but whether/how easily the blade swings on a PM2 depends not only on the pivot adjustment but on the stop pin screws.

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Postby Evil D » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:44 am

JNewell wrote:You probably know this, but whether/how easily the blade swings on a PM2 depends not only on the pivot adjustment but on the stop pin screws.
Yeah I have a post here about modding the stop pin to tune out play and it did work for a time but it's still there ever so slightly. Most people would say there isn't any but compared to my Manix 2 it's pretty noticeable for me.
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Postby vtvman » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:39 am

I would love a para 2 on bearings :D

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Postby Evil D » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:16 am

vtvman wrote:I would love a para 2 on bearings :D
I don't think it's completely necessary in an effort to eliminate play, but I agree I would love to see the Southard pivot on a Para 2. My only complaint there is more moving parts usually equals more potential for failure, but in time we'll see if there are any complaints with the Southard.
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Postby bpeezer » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:56 am

Evil D wrote:I don't think it's completely necessary in an effort to eliminate play, but I agree I would love to see the Southard pivot on a Para 2. My only complaint there is more moving parts usually equals more potential for failure, but in time we'll see if there are any complaints with the Southard.
Caged bearings usually outlast washers. I've never opened and closed a knife a million times to test, but I work in a manufacturing environment and it's easy to see first hand that bearings are an improvement over washers in a mechanism that has to stay within tolerances while rotating frequently.

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Postby JNewell » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:18 pm

bpeezer wrote:Caged bearings usually outlast washers. I've never opened and closed a knife a million times to test, but I work in a manufacturing environment and it's easy to see first hand that bearings are an improvement over washers in a mechanism that has to stay within tolerances while rotating frequently.
Sure, but let's keep this in perspective. I've been reading knife forums for quite a few years and I don't think I've ever read a post about failure of even "inferior" washers like nylon or Nylatron, much less phosphor bronze. For most knives, maybe for all knives, ball bearing systems are an expensive solution to a non-existent problem.

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Postby bpeezer » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:47 pm

JNewell wrote:Sure, but let's keep this in perspective. I've been reading knife forums for quite a few years and I don't think I've ever read a post about failure of even "inferior" washers like nylon or Nylatron, much less phosphor bronze. For most knives, maybe for all knives, ball bearing systems are an expensive solution to a non-existent problem.
I'm just saying that if those washers aren't failing, the bearings aren't going to fail either. Also, bearings aren't expensive at all and give a substantial improvement in pivot feel IMHO


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