Taiwanese Produced Para 2

[CarbonFiberNut]

PS: This site says they are in stock -

They come up as "out of stock" after you add them to your cart. This seems to be exceedingly, distressingly common at small knife retailers, and it's crazy frustrating when searching for something hard-to-find.

[Blerv]

They come up as "out of stock" after you add them to your cart. This seems to be exceedingly, distressingly common at small knife retailers, and it's crazy frustrating when searching for something hard-to-find.

Oh that's annoying. Mark of a truly unsuccessful drop-ship business. :rolleyes:

[kennethsime]

I would bet that price would be equal or higher if the PM2 were to be produced in Taiwan. I would also bet that this wouldn't sit well with many of Spyderco's customers who fell in love with the $100, american-made, 3.5" drop-point perfected. Moving production overseas has almost never been a success for American knife companies (at least as far as their reputation, look at Buck, Benchmade, etc). I do understand that overseas-produced knives (Tenacious, Japanese spydies, chinese Kershaws, etc) do very well here because of the price points they are able to hit, but taking an American knife and moving production overseas would not look good for Spyderco.

Also, I'm pretty sure that Spyderco is increasing their production capacity in Golden to something like double or more as we speak (there have been several threads about this), in direct response to the success of the PM2 and Manix models.

[Boberama]

I don't really care where it's made as long as it's great quality. I can't comment on where Spyderco should produce their knives, I'm sure they can figure that out just fine.

[kennethsime]

I don't really care where it's made as long as it's great quality. I can't comment on where Spyderco should produce their knives, I'm sure they can figure that out just fine.

And I don't mean to knock the Taiwanese products, they're very nice. I love my Japanese Spydies to death. But there is something that doesn't bode well about taking American production (be it a pocket knife, laptop, car, sweatshirts) overseas.

[Boberama]

And I don't mean to knock the Taiwanese products, they're very nice. I love my Japanese Spydies to death. But there is something that doesn't bode well about taking American production (be it a pocket knife, laptop, car, sweatshirts) overseas.

Fair enough. I'm not American, so "made in America" doesn't hold too much meaning for me. If a knife I liked was made in my country, I'd probably have an issue with moving production somewhere else as well.

[BAL]

NO x 10. Why mess with success.

The quality of the production in Golden is top of the line, most of my favorites are from there.
There are plans to increase production there which will help with producing the more popular
knives that they make.

[Alnamvet68]

While I really appreciate the fine craftsmanship and attention to detail of my overseas produced Spydies, I am of the belief that Spyderco should produce all knives in the US, and perhaps importing those must have exotic steels to the US for manufacture and assembly by American workers....we do have an unemployment crisis in America, and Spyderco along with many other US based companies would do well to bring home the jobs. That said, a continued relationship with overseas contractors would be good for business as well, here and their, so keeping the production of the low end, budget line of knives like the Byrd series would be fine, as far as I'm concerned. Moving Byrd production from China to Taiwan and Japan would even be better. Let the marketing gurus in Asia sell those Byrds, 'cause Lord knows you'll never get me to buy one at any price.

So, by way of China :D , I say to the OP, absolutely not.

[The Deacon]

PM2 is of no interest to me, but I'm pretty sure Spyderco is in the process of expanding their Golden plant, so moving production of one of the main reasons for that would seem counter productive.

[The Mastiff]

At some point you just need to have faith that Sal and the rest of the Spyderco team are doing not only what's best for them, but for us, which is essentially the same thing as us customers keep the machine running, so to speak.

Expanding and training a new shift of knifemakers takes time, and the right people. I wish them well and will stand with them during this time of change.

Joe

[chuck_roxas45]

At some point you just need to have faith that Sal and the rest of the Spyderco team are doing not only what's best for them, but for us, which is essentially the same thing as us customers keep the machine running, so to speak.

Expanding and training a new shift of knifemakers takes time, and the right people. I wish them well and will stand with them during this time of change.

Joe

This one, 100 percent.

[bh49]

I would also bet that this wouldn't sit well with many of Spyderco's customers who fell in love with the $100, american-made, 3.5" drop-point perfected.

+1
Moving Para2 to Taiwan certainly would help with back-orders. Many people just will not be interested to buy it anymore. Not everyone, not even majority, still quite a few people like to see "Made in America" on their blades.

Also, I'm pretty sure that Spyderco is increasing their production capacity in Golden to something like double or more as we speak (there have been several threads about this), in direct response to the success of the PM2 and Manix models.

I hope this is true as well. Also, I was told that now is a good time for this. Companies are getting credits for new equipment and hiring people from unemployment. Whatever would help Spyderco will be good for us.

[speedcut]

Taiwanese Spydercos are good but they have their imperfections+ the bushing system , the nested liners and other factors too ... So i don t think they will get better in quality or price...

[einstein2001]

I assume moving all the tooling and machinery would be cost prohibitive. Also while the quality may be the same or better if produced in Taichung, you loose the allure of an all American blade made right here on Earth. :D

[Jay_Ev]

I trust Spyderco will do what's best for business. If that includes moving production of a model to Taiwan, then that's OK. It is my belief that an item being made in the USA does not give it an automatic stamp of quality.

[bh49]

I trust Spyderco will do what's best for business. If that includes moving production of a model to Taiwan, then that's OK. It is my belief that an item being made in the USA does not give it an automatic stamp of quality.

I also believe that people at Spyderco know what is better for their business. I am sure that made in US is not guarantee quality. But quality made in US product give me pride of ownership plus satisfaction that I help a little to my countrymen. Quality made in Taiwant product cannot give me that. I am well aware that everybody is different and nobody can please everyone.

[JNewell]

I was just saying that from my experience, I've never and have never really heard of taiwanese produced spydercos being in a shortage to where people have trouble finding them even on the secondary market.

There was a long period when the GB couldn't be found anywhere new.

I trust Spyderco will do what's best for business.

Totally and completely agree. :spyder:

[senorsquare]

I was just saying that from my experience, I've never and have never really heard of taiwanese produced spydercos being in a shortage to where people have trouble finding them even on the secondary market.

The Southard has been out of stock for a while now at quite a few online retailers.

[fanglekai]

Sorry OP, I came off a bit harsh .

The best thing (IMHO) is for Taiwan to make a similar model that people would adore. G10, drop-point, compression lock, etc but different enough to justify it's own audience. That way the Para2 doesn't go anywhere and Taiwan picks up a real screaming seller. That is a win-win.

I like this idea.

[Donut]

They can have a production version of the 204P Para and only make that model in Taiwan. :)