I've been enjoying my Para2 in 20CP for a while now. The steel is turning out to be one of my very favorites - it takes a great edge, has all the edge holding of S90V and is relatively easy to sharpen.
I don't recall seeing any discussion of Spyderco's plans (or lack thereof) concerning the future of this steel. I assume that it is expensive, which would automatically limit it to certain models. Is it in short supply or is it difficult to work with in a production environment? Just curious why we haven't seen more of this great steel...
TedP
More CTS-20CP?
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Blerv wrote:A Manix2 or Native5 would be great. Even a lightweight sprint to save a buck and a few ounces. :)
Native5 in 20CP sounds even better. I know that Ken needs one not later than tomorrow :D , tonight would be even betterxceptnl wrote:Manix 2 Lightweight in 20CP sounds like a dream!
Of cause I need one too :)
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I would love to see more knives made in 20CP, so I asked Sal during the Spydercomeet and he said nothing was forseen in this steel for the moment 
I also asked maybe in 204P and the answer was more painfull then expected. Sal said Carpenter is discontinuing 204P. But they have the steel for the Green PM2 so this one will certainly come. I forgot to ask if this will have an impact on future Southard runs. My bad but it could be that the Southard comes in another steel in the future... lets hope not.
I also asked maybe in 204P and the answer was more painfull then expected. Sal said Carpenter is discontinuing 204P. But they have the steel for the Green PM2 so this one will certainly come. I forgot to ask if this will have an impact on future Southard runs. My bad but it could be that the Southard comes in another steel in the future... lets hope not.Current EDC: Techno, Squeak, Southard Flipper, Caly 3.5
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I wondering what is the reason to discontinue 204P. It looks like no problem to make M390.IG-88 wrote: Sal said Carpenter is discontinuing 204P.
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Interesting. It also makes me wonder what that means for the planned 204P Mule team?IG-88 wrote:I also asked maybe in 204P and the answer was more painfull then expected. Sal said Carpenter is discontinuing 204P. But they have the steel for the Green PM2 so this one will certainly come. I forgot to ask if this will have an impact on future Southard runs. My bad but it could be that the Southard comes in another steel in the future... lets hope not.
If 204P disappears, the Southard will likely have to switch to another steel. I would also expect secondary prices on the Para 2 sprint to shoot through the roof, as there won't really be any other way to get this particular steel, making it even more exclusive.
Back on topic of the original post, I missed out on the 20CP Para 2 and would love to see the steel offered again in another model. Native 5 is okay, but I would rather just buy the S110V version. Perhaps a Manix XL or Ti Military would be great as well.
If I remember well Sal mentioned they have to many different steels and want to focus on some and have less variaty. Now that we are talking steel, another steel fact Eric shared was on the Bioblue, the unscratchable steel that would be used on the Foundry scales is also a no go. That stuff is so hard that it is nearly impossible to produce a flat piece. Eric mentionned seeing guys at Carpenter trying to roll it flat manually and with machines and without success the thing keeps warping... Carpenter produced already over $30.000 of unusable Bioblue so the project is stopped and the knife wont unfortunatly have Bioblue scales. Ah you can't win them all... that what I like about Spyderco, always on the look out for innovations! Always willing to try soething new! I can't wait to see what the future will bring :)bh49 wrote:I wondering what is the reason to discontinue 204P. It looks like no problem to make M390.
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Wow. That single prototype version they showed in Amsterdam just became the rarest and most valuable collectable in all of Spyderdom. :cool:IG-88 wrote:Bioblue, the unscratchable steel that would be used on the Foundry scales is also a no go...so the project is stopped and the knife wont unfortunatly have Bioblue scales.
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It sounds that 204P will not happen, but we still have chances for 20CP.kbuzbee wrote:True, but it sounds like it won't happen. Ah well...
Ken
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I missed that - do you remember whether that was here or at Bladeforums or somewhere else? - do you by any chance have a link to the thread?IG-88 wrote:I would love to see more knives made in 20CP, so I asked Sal during the Spydercomeet and he said nothing was forseen in this steel for the moment
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Yes, but the provenance of a short-lived name will rocket the secondary market value of those long awaited Para 2's through the roof. Carpenter being an American firm may add more cachet for some USA-based collectors. In collecting, value is strongly influenced by both rarity and these other non-utilitarian factors.Cliff Stamp wrote:204P is just m390, so the steel is still available from a different supplier.
I ordered the green P2 as a gift for my dad, whose favorite color is green, and he has never handled a P2. It was a plus that it was less expensive than the smurf M390 P2. Now it looks like the green ones will end up more valuable than the blue ones.
IMHO green is much better looking color than blue :)Bill1170 wrote: I ordered the green P2 as a gift for my dad, whose favorite color is green, Now it looks like the green ones will end up more valuable than the blue ones.
I love green as well
Ted,phillipsted wrote:I've been enjoying my Para2 in 20CP for a while now. The steel is turning out to be one of my very favorites - it takes a great edge, has all the edge holding of S90V and is relatively easy to sharpen.
TedP
Is 20CP easier to sharpen than S90V? Is any difference in hardness of the blades, which you compare?
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