Native 4 & 5

[bh49]

I love the Native 4...And the 5, it needs to get it'd edge back...shorter and shorter.

Little more edge will be good, but lately I stopped using Caly3.5 and Persian to cut my apples at work. Native5 does the job just fine. Please understand me correctly, I cannot wait to see 3.5" and 4" FFG Natives: Shaman & Chief.

Frustrating really. How is it any more difficult to ask the lady in the post office to send it to England instead of Arkansas? Buyers pay shipping anyway...

Like Paul said, this is not difficult at all. But selling overseas creating much more possibilities for something to go wrong. I sold few knives out of country, mostly on BF. Most of them were fine, except one, believe me or not, to England. When buyer bought the knife, he didn't realized that he will have to pay custom dues on the top of what he paid me for the knife, shipping, and insurance. So he didn't pay dues and the knife was returned back to me couple month later and of cause I had to pay him back. When I sell to US, deal is done in few days. So it is just not worth it to sell out, unless a seller is very desperate for money and nobody in US is willing to pay.

[The Deacon]

No, not really - it's his choice.
A lot of auction sellers state that they ship US only (and some stores).
I tend to e-mail them politely and ask if they would reconsider if I accept responsibility.
Most do kindly agree. That's how I landed my Moonglow Manix 2 from the bay and my Blue PM 2 and Orange UKPK from a US store that didn't generally ship internationally at the time.

From what I understand, if you changed your mind and contacted PayPal saying you had not received the knife the seller would lose, even if he had a signed and notarized document from you "accepting responsibility". Please understand, I'm not impugning your honesty and I'm not saying some sellers will not take the risk, or that some are unaware of it because no overseas buyer has ever filed a PayPal dispute. I'm just explaining one of the reasons some folks put US only on their listings.

[Donut]

I always call the FRN Native pictured the Native Lightweight. Native 2 was Stainless. Native 3 was the contoured handle Japan version.

I'm not too sure what the Native 1 was, that was before my time.

[Waco]

Yeah, I saw those. Seller ships to continental US only.
Frustrating really. How is it any more difficult to ask the lady in the post office to send it to England instead of Arkansas? Buyers pay shipping anyway...
I did e-mail the seller but he didn't respond. Oh well...

I've shipped a few watches to England. It's a little more hassle. Shipping seemed to always cost more than I expected from checking rates online. In my experience, the buyer always wanted me to declare a low value to reduce customs fees. But if you tell the post office that you are shipping something that's worth $10, you can't ask them to insure it for $150. The buyer would say not to worry about insurance, but how understanding is he going to be if the package never shows up?

[Holland]

the native 5 looks beautiful, i need to make sure i get in on the forums knife

[Waco]

the native 5 looks beautiful, i need to make sure i get in on the forums knife

They took (no offense to owners of other versions) a low-end Sypderco and turned it into a work of art. My G10 Endura gets Crocodile Dundee comments from non-knife people (Wait till they see my new Millie.). People see the Native5 and say, "Hey, that's a nice knife."

[Blerv]

I always call the FRN Native pictured the Native Lightweight. Native 2 was Stainless. Native 3 was the contoured handle Japan version.

I'm not too sure what the Native 1 was, that was before my time.

Way before my time too!

Still, the C41 started in FRN with a few G10 (with inlays) models to follow per this article. Then the SS model made with VG10 in Japan (2). Later the 3 model with the swelled FRN handle in Japan. Then the smooth CF VG10 model in Japan (4). Finally the Native5 we have now.

I like the approach of the Native5. It only gives up a tiny bit of blade to the original which makes it legal in far more places. The lack of swedge makes it less "scary".

[bh49]

I like the approach of the Native5. It only gives up a tiny bit of blade to the original which makes it legal in far more places. The lack of swedge makes it less "scary".

+1 and FFG makes it better looking and slicing :)

[Waco]

I use mine as more of a dress knife.

Me too. Oddly, it doesn't show up when you search the catalog for "gentleman's knives".

[The Deacon]

I could be wrong but, AFAIK, there has never been a Spyderco model with an "1" (or "I") suffix in it's official model name. We're the ones who tag that suffix onto the original version of a model after a second version, with a II suffix, comes out.

If we're doing that with the Native family of knives, then the FRN version of the C41 would be the Native I as it was the first, and for several years the only, Native. The rest of the number suffixes are were given by Spyderco, the all stainless Native II (first in AUS-10 and later in VG-10), the FRN/VG-10 C78 Native III, the CF/VG-10 C41 Native IV, and now the Native V, currently in G-10/CPM-S35V with other handle materials and steels expected to follow.

[bh49]

I could be wrong but, AFAIK, there has never been a Spyderco model with an "1" (or "I") suffix in it's official model name. We're the ones who tag that suffix onto the original version of a model after a second version, with a II suffix, comes out.

Paul,
I am pretty sure that there were no para1, delica1, endura1, police1, persian1,viele1 and so on. But I am not so sure about Cento. It was way before my time. Do you remember was it cento1 or just cento?

[KardinalSyn]

Wonder if there is any plan to make screw construction Natives. If I observe correctly, the Native is still pinned construction. Also, how are the liners please?

[The Deacon]

Paul,
I am pretty sure that there were no para1, delica1, endura1, police1, persian1,viele1 and so on. But I am not so sure about Cento. It was way before my time. Do you remember was it cento1 or just cento?

Hi Roman, just checked and the '94 Catalog and price lists show it as the C25 Frank Centofante.

Wonder if there is any plan to make screw construction Natives. If I observe correctly, the Native is still pinned construction. Also, how are the liners please?

Not sure if they've started using screw pivots on the Native Lightweight, as I haven't bought one in a couple years. Do know it doesn't have any liners. G-10 Native V has full liners, FRN version of it will probably have nested ones like the Delica, etc.

EDITED TO ADD: For me, the perfect Native would mate the OIF/OEF tan FRN C41 Native Lightweight handle with the 2009 Forum Native FFG blade without the engraving. While I wouldn't mind pinned construction, am sure screw pivots would make it even a better seller.

[APS]

EDITED TO ADD: For me, the perfect Native would mate the OIF/OEF tan FRN C41 Native Lightweight handle with the 2009 Forum Native FFG blade without the engraving. While I wouldn't mind pinned construction, am sure screw pivots would make it even a better seller.

Wow, now that sounds like the perfect Native lightweight EDC knife. Simple unlined construction, FFG, no useless empty tip up holes, neutral handle color and easily modified handle (I always have to grind down the second handle peak on the FRN Native)

[KardinalSyn]

Hi Roman, just checked and the '94 Catalog and price lists show it as the C25 Frank Centofante.

Not sure if they've started using screw pivots on the Native Lightweight, as I haven't bought one in a couple years. Do know it doesn't have any liners. G-10 Native V has full liners, FRN version of it will probably have nested ones like the Delica, etc.

EDITED TO ADD: For me, the perfect Native would mate the OIF/OEF tan FRN C41 Native Lightweight handle with the 2009 Forum Native FFG blade without the engraving. While I wouldn't mind pinned construction, am sure screw pivots would make it even a better seller.

Thanks for the info. I'm very much interested in the all black version and still hunting for info.

[bh49]

Hi Roman, just checked and the '94 Catalog and price lists show it as the C25 Frank Centofante.

For me, the perfect Native would mate the OIF/OEF tan FRN C41 Native Lightweight handle with the 2009 Forum Native FFG blade without the engraving. While I wouldn't mind pinned construction, am sure screw pivots would make it even a better seller.

Paul,
Thank you for info.
My perfect Native is slightly different. Native5 is actually fairly close. I like tan color scales and would prefer 2009 Forum Native no swedge blade. Still I strongly prefer full liners, screw construction and will take G10 (even peel-ply) over FRN
After two month of waiting hopefully tonight I will have my near perfect Native5. :)

[Lo/Rez]

Has there been any word on whether or not the Native5 will come out with CF scales? That would make it pretty much perfect in my little world.

[bh49]

Lo/Rez,

Welcome to the Forum.
CF Native5 S110V is expected this summer.

[Donut]

The only model I can think of that might have a 1 in the name would be the Mule or Chaparral, since they had planned from the get-go that there would be multiple versions of them.

[Pockets]

^ Or the Sage, maybe?