Hi Sal, he's 9 and yes, this would be his first pocket knife. So you'd recommend a model with all the non-blade stuff in it?sal wrote:I would suggest the traditional BSA knife. I learned much with that knife when I was a Scout. Perhaps a Squeak as a back up. There will be plenty of time for him to learn about locks and steels as he grows, but basics are important. How old is he? Has he owned a knife before?
The common perspective on Case over on Bladeforums in their "Traditionals" subforum is that for standard models (i.e., not the Case-Bose collabs and a few others), f&f is hit-or-miss to such a degree that it's best only to buy in person unless you're willing to deal with sending it in (on that note, their customer service is good, so there won't be a problem if you're willing to send it in). Victorinox, on the other hand, is perhaps the best knife company in the world when it comes to consistency.kbuzbee wrote:Good points! Thanks!
So you think Victorinox (specifically in this style knife) offers higher quality than Case? Interesting. I would have thought just the opposite...
Yes, and for less money. It's the advantage of having a set of tools that are simply put together in different combinations for different models. A Tinker can be had for less than $20. They also have a series of metal alox handled knives with less tools but of sturdier construction.kbuzbee wrote: So you think Victorinox (specifically in this style knife) offers higher quality than Case? Interesting. I would have thought just the opposite...
Excellent info, thanks! I really don't have much experience with either brand. (none in the past 25 years! )phaust wrote:The common perspective on Case over on Bladeforums ... Victorinox, on the other hand, is perhaps the best knife company in the world when it comes to consistency.
That is interesting. Appreciate the heads up.phaust wrote:edit2: I think AG Russell posted over on BF that he was working on a BSA style knife. Depending on when you need it, that might be worth waiting for. (Now this is getting ridiculous, but edit 3: Found the thread, and he posted that in March last year http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showt ... mium-Scout
Pingo is leading my thoughts if I choose to go with a Spydies. I would have killed for a Pingo when I was in Scouting.1623 wrote:and now the Pingo.
Thanks Ted! I figured someone here was active.phillipsted wrote: I assume your son already has earned his Whittling Chip card. This gives him the right to carry his knife to Scout functions wherever the knife is otherwise legal and appropriate.
Kinda where I am. I'd think the Vic's and maybe even the Cases might be better, but still....phillipsted wrote:I started out my son with a Camillus Cub Scout knife and quickly became disenchanted with it. I remember having one when I was a kid - but the memories couldn't overcome the fact that these knives are now cheap imitations of what they once were. Half the boys in our Den had damage to their knives before summer camp.
... and do you ever see the kids "using" the other tools?phillipsted wrote:I also believe that these knives aren't particularly safe for beginners' fingers. The boys end up spending so much time fiddling with the opening and closing of tools, they don't spend time learning basic knife mechanics. They are "gimmicky." In addition, the steel isn't particularly good and doesn't keep an edge very long. Weak slip joints and dull edges are a recipe for disaster. That's my $0.02, Ken...
So I take it there's no specific "requirements"?phillipsted wrote:So I went out and got my son a regular production Centofante
One problem I have with the "Genuine Boy Scout Knives" is that they're made in china since Camillus went out of business. Now, I don't have a problem with China made knives in principal, but without knowing the maker, I would question the quality until I tried one.jnichols2 wrote:I vote with Sal. I still remember mine from 1957. It wasn't a "pocket knife" or a "Swiss Army Knife" -- it was a "Genuwine Boy Scout Knife".
I searched for a link, and can't believe all the stuff that' being sold as "Boy Scout Knife".
Here are links for two traditional models:
http://www.amazon.com/KN1118-Boys-Scout ... B004WGYTLE
http://www.scoutstuff.org/bsa/camping/k ... knife.html
We got ours through the Scoutmaster, and they were designed not to be very sharp. If the one you get is real sharp, dull it down to nine year old level. Please don't give him a hair popping Spyderco.
P. S, Yes; I actually did eat with the fork and spoon on camping trips. Then later, I kind of graduated to the model without them. It's all part of the Scout experience.
As for a "Made in China", remember, he's a nine year old boy, and it's appropriate. I never did believe in giving kids $300 sneakers, iPhones, OR $200 knives. He will probably lose it at some point. If not, he will quickly outgrow it - THEN get him something a little better.ASmitty wrote:One problem I have with the "Genuine Boy Scout Knives" is that they're made in china since Camillus went out of business. Now, I don't have a problem with China made knives in principal, but without knowing the maker, I would question the quality until I tried one.
One of the first lessons I learned as a Cub Scout is that a dull knife is far more dangerous than a sharp knife. While a sharp knife deserves respect and safe handling, a dull knife can lead to injury far more easily due to its inability to do its job. Please don't dull your grandson's knife.
I would go with a Victorinox SAK as a Cub Scout's first knife. It has proven, reliable, consistent quality that I am familiar with. It also has the added bonus of offering several models that come marked with the Boy Scout logo that are designed to be used by scouts.
You also inquired when would be the right time to get him a knife. He can't carry it to scouting functions until he's earned his Whittling Chip (Totin Chip for Boy Scouts). Honestly, I would wait until after he has earned that to get him a knife of his own as the temptation to take it with him when he shouldn't (especially if other scouts who already have their Whittling Chip have knives) could be too great and he might get into trouble. However, even if you don't get him his own right away, I would begin mentoring him about knives from the get go which will help him prepare for his Whittling chip sooner.