Any Radio Activity/ Radiation coming off SEKI-City Spyderco steel ?

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Postby maximas » Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:26 pm

dont worry If it wasradio active it would have not made it into the us customes scans for such things as radiation and if found to be toxic it would be disposed of and before it made it out of the factory QC (Quality controal) would have not let it into the public.

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Postby DedRok » Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:51 pm

Are you serious? Is this seriously a concern?!

We live with natural radiation every day of our lives, even before electricity was invented. The SUN emits more than 5 types of radiation. Your cell phone and microwave emits more radioactivity than your knife ever could.

Yeeeesh, some people. Please have some common sense... do you think the government would allow Japan to ship over high level or radiation parcels? Please educate yourself.

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Postby dialex » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:38 am

Hummm... maybe we should avoid cobalt blades as well? What if by accident someone uses the radioactive one (60Co)? :rolleyes:
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Postby Bitten1x » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:49 pm

A slightly radioactive knife would be so easy to find in a pile of Laundry.....or an overstuffed bag of gear.

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Postby CanadaDude » Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:29 pm

I think that it is legitimate to be concerned about this issue. Radioactive metals have been recycled and turned into household items and cutlery like forks in the past, and countries from Jamaica to Russia have rejected Japanese cars due to contamination by radiation from Fukushima. Today Kenya has done the same thing.
http://enformable.com/2014/04/kenyan-ca ... ry-origin/
Here's an article that shows that the Department of Energy wants to recycle radioactive metals in household goods:
Government to Dispose of Radioactive Waste By Putting It In Our SILVERWARE
Posted on January 28, 2013 by WashingtonsBlog

http://media-cache-lt0.pinterest.com/up ... assen.com*
Department of Energy Wants to Let Radioactive Scrap Metal Back into Consumer Products

The overwhelming scientific consensus is that any amount of radiation – no matter how small – can cause cancer and other serious health effects.

(Current safety standards are based on the ridiculous assumption that everyone exposed is a healthy man in his 20s – and that radioactive particles ingested into the body cause no more damage than radiation hitting the outside of the body. In the real world, however, even low doses of radiation can cause cancer. Moreover, small particles of radiation – called “internal emitters” – which get inside the body are much more dangerous than general exposures to radiation. See this and this. And radiation affects small children much more than full-grown adults.)

But the Department of Energy – the agency which is responsible for the design, testing and production of all U.S. nuclear weapons, promotes nuclear energy as one of its core functions, which has been covering up nuclear accidents for decades, and has used mutant lines of human cells to promote voodoo, anti-scientific arguments – proposes letting radiation into our silverware.

Counterpunch notes:

Even the deregulation-happy Wall St. Journal sounded shocked: “The Department of Energy is proposing to allow the sale of tons of scrap metal from government nuclear sites — an attempt to reduce waste that critics say could lead to radiation-tainted belt buckles, surgical implants and other consumer products.”

Having failed in the ‘80s and ‘90s to free the nuclear bomb factories and national laboratories of millions of tons of their radioactively contaminated scrap and nickel, the DOE is trying again. Its latest proposal is moving ahead without even an Environmental Impact Statement. Those messy EISs involve public hearings, so you can imagine the DOE’s reluctance to face the public over adding yet more radiation to the doses we’re already accumulating.

Congressman Markey writes:

A Department of Energy proposal to allow up to 14,000 metric tons of its radioactive scrap metal to be recycled into consumer products was called into question today by Rep. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) due to concerns over public health. In a letter sent to DOE head Steven Chu, Rep. Markey expressed “grave concerns” over the potential of these metals becoming jewelry, cutlery, or other consumer products that could exceed healthy doses of radiation without any knowledge by the consumer. DOE made the proposal to rescind its earlier moratorium on radioactive scrap metal recycling in December, 2012.

The proposal follows an incident from 2012 involving Bed, Bath & Beyond stores in America recalling tissue holders made in India that were contaminated with the radio-isotope cobalt-60. Those products were shipped to 200 stores in 20 states. In response to that incident, a Nuclear Regulatory Commission spokesperson advised members of the public to return the products even though the amount of contamination was not considered to be a health risk.

This is not the first time this has happened...
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/01/ ... rware.html

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Postby Pinetreebbs » Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:31 pm

There is a huge difference between the possible and unlikely dusting of radioactive particles in Japan and situations involving melting scrap containing a radioactive source like coblat-60 or scrap materials from a reactor that have become radioactive from exposure to very high levels of radiation only possible inside an operating nuclear reactor. If you are not convinced by and still feel you are being radiated surround your self with steel produced and fabricated before WWII. It will contain radioactive isotopes, but less than steel produced since atmospheric nuclear weapons explosions first seen in WWII.
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Postby yablanowitz » Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:55 pm

The amount of ignorance in the world over the subject of radiation exposure amazes me. A single chest x-ray will expose you to more radiation in ten seconds than a radioactive fork could in ten years of daily use. "Any amount of radiation - no matter how small - can cause cancer and other serious health effects." Guess what? There are radioisotopes present in soil, concrete, natural gas, petroleum, water and even air. The sun bombards us with radiation all day and the stars do the same thing all night. The higher you go, the more radiation there is, but even 700 feet below the surface of the ocean, there is still measureable background radiation. You cannot escape it, no matter where you go. You are being exposed to radiation every day of your life. If you cannot accept that, kill yourself now and make room for someone who can.

The primary difficulty I had in attempting to get some idea of the extent of the problem in Japan was the simple fact that no one in any media that I could find knew anything about radiation or radioactive contamination. They use the terms interchangeably and mix the units used to describe the two to the point that it was impossible to learn anything from them. "Small particles of radiation - called "internal emitters" - which get inside the body" is a perfect example of this. "Internal emitters" are particles of radioactive material which emit radiation inside the body. Some emit particulate radiation and some emit electromagnetic radiation and some emit both, but they are not "particles of radiation". Most are more dangerous than external exposure primarily because of proximity and duration of exposure, although alpha emitters are far worse as internal emitters since alpha radiation normally can't penetrate the layer of dead skin on the surface of our bodies. Radon gas emits alpha radiation, and it is everywhere. You breathe it in and out every day, and some radon atoms will inevitably decay inside your lungs in between the in and the out, exposing you to the most damaging ionizing radiation there is. Yet the majority of air-breathing animals on the planet manage to live out their lives without developing lung cancer. Go figure.
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Postby Clip » Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:06 pm

It's simple, dose is death. And I picked up 3mR today
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Postby JNewell » Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:17 pm

CanadaDude wrote:I think that it is legitimate to be concerned about this issue. Radioactive metals have been recycled and turned into household items and cutlery like forks in the past, and countries from Jamaica to Russia have rejected Japanese cars due to contamination by radiation from Fukushima. Today Kenya has done the same thing.
http://enformable.com/2014/04/kenyan-ca ... ry-origin/
Here's an article that shows that the Department of Energy wants to recycle radioactive metals in household goods:
Government to Dispose of Radioactive Waste By Putting It In Our SILVERWARE
Posted on January 28, 2013 by WashingtonsBlog

http://media-cache-lt0.pinterest.com/up ... assen.com*
Department of Energy Wants to Let Radioactive Scrap Metal Back into Consumer Products

The overwhelming scientific consensus is that any amount of radiation – no matter how small – can cause cancer and other serious health effects.

(Current safety standards are based on the ridiculous assumption that everyone exposed is a healthy man in his 20s – and that radioactive particles ingested into the body cause no more damage than radiation hitting the outside of the body. In the real world, however, even low doses of radiation can cause cancer. Moreover, small particles of radiation – called “internal emitters” – which get inside the body are much more dangerous than general exposures to radiation. See this and this. And radiation affects small children much more than full-grown adults.)

But the Department of Energy – the agency which is responsible for the design, testing and production of all U.S. nuclear weapons, promotes nuclear energy as one of its core functions, which has been covering up nuclear accidents for decades, and has used mutant lines of human cells to promote voodoo, anti-scientific arguments – proposes letting radiation into our silverware.

Counterpunch notes:

Even the deregulation-happy Wall St. Journal sounded shocked: “The Department of Energy is proposing to allow the sale of tons of scrap metal from government nuclear sites — an attempt to reduce waste that critics say could lead to radiation-tainted belt buckles, surgical implants and other consumer products.”

Having failed in the ‘80s and ‘90s to free the nuclear bomb factories and national laboratories of millions of tons of their radioactively contaminated scrap and nickel, the DOE is trying again. Its latest proposal is moving ahead without even an Environmental Impact Statement. Those messy EISs involve public hearings, so you can imagine the DOE’s reluctance to face the public over adding yet more radiation to the doses we’re already accumulating.

Congressman Markey writes:

A Department of Energy proposal to allow up to 14,000 metric tons of its radioactive scrap metal to be recycled into consumer products was called into question today by Rep. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) due to concerns over public health. In a letter sent to DOE head Steven Chu, Rep. Markey expressed “grave concerns” over the potential of these metals becoming jewelry, cutlery, or other consumer products that could exceed healthy doses of radiation without any knowledge by the consumer. DOE made the proposal to rescind its earlier moratorium on radioactive scrap metal recycling in December, 2012.

The proposal follows an incident from 2012 involving Bed, Bath & Beyond stores in America recalling tissue holders made in India that were contaminated with the radio-isotope cobalt-60. Those products were shipped to 200 stores in 20 states. In response to that incident, a Nuclear Regulatory Commission spokesperson advised members of the public to return the products even though the amount of contamination was not considered to be a health risk.

This is not the first time this has happened...
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/01/ ... rware.html
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Postby Blerv » Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:04 pm

Sigh. Of all the threads to bump...

Anyways, might look at this. Trace radiation is clearly the silent killer, oh wait, that's high blood pressure.

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/v ... age-chart/
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Postby Ned » Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:19 pm

This is silly.
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Postby mikerestivo » Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:53 pm

[quote="Blerv"]Sigh. Of all the threads to bump...
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That's the first thing that came to my mind. If this is a legitimate concern of anybody, that somebody should entertain the thought of finding more to do with his life.

There are so many other great topics to discuss. This ain't one of them.

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Postby Pinetreebbs » Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:24 pm

Facts have difficulty penetrating hats made of thin sheets of aluminum.
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Postby SolidState » Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:46 pm

Pinetreebbs wrote:Facts have difficulty penetrating hats made of thin sheets of aluminum.
Sooooo great.
Also:
http://xkcd.com/radiation/
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Postby Pinetreebbs » Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:09 pm

SolidState wrote:Sooooo great.
Also:
http://xkcd.com/radiation/
That is a very informative chart, thank you very much.
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Postby chuck_roxas45 » Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:11 pm

I'm more afraid of cutting myself on my edges than from any imagined danger. :rolleyes: :D

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Postby SolidState » Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:52 pm

Pinetreebbs wrote:That is a very informative chart, thank you very much.
We have that posted near most of our x-ray equipment because looney tunes often come in and accuse us of poisoning the community. We also use a geiger counter to show them that bananas are more radioactive than most of our experiments.
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Postby Pinetreebbs » Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:46 pm

SolidState wrote:We have that posted near most of our x-ray equipment because looney tunes often come in and accuse us of poisoning the community. We also use a geiger counter to show them that bananas are more radioactive than most of our experiments.
My first rad worker instructor used a campfire analogy; up close, more radiation, more distance less exposure, move farther away, no more exposure.

In the US nonsense and fear replaces facts and education.
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Postby Clip » Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:50 am

Pinetreebbs wrote:My first rad worker instructor used a campfire analogy; up close, more radiation, more distance less exposure, move farther away, no more exposure.

In the US nonsense and fear replaces facts and education.
Pinetree, are you a fellow radworker?
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Postby Pocket Lint » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:23 am

Radiation causes our telomeres to shorten and destroys our dna :eek: But a certain kind of radiation also allows our body to produce Vitamin D, so you get some, and you lose some :rolleyes:


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