+1, my expierences tell me, nothing beats the original!DeathBySnooSnoo wrote:I fear that any new Lil Temp is going to fall far short of the original as have all the newer versions...the Manix 2 XL is not as good as the C95, the Starmate is a disappointment compared to the original...this is probably going to end up the same. Sometimes, no changes or "improvements" need to be, or should be made...
These knives are facing a different era than the originals a decade ago. That means they should evolve and also can't be directly compared to the old models regarding sales. Then again, why did they stop making the original if reception was as great as believed?DeathBySnooSnoo wrote:I fear that any new Lil Temp is going to fall far short of the original as have all the newer versions...the Manix 2 XL is not as good as the C95, the Starmate is a disappointment compared to the original...this is probably going to end up the same. Sometimes, no changes or "improvements" need to be, or should be made...
I tend to agree with you, Blerv. I've been tearing down a lot of my older Spydies lately to see how they are put together (looking for opportunities to mod them, as well as just clean them up). I am continually amazed how Sal and Spyderco have advanced the engineering designs of their knives over the years.Blerv wrote:These knives are facing a different era than the originals a decade ago. That means they should evolve and also can't be directly compared to the old models regarding sales. Then again, why did they stop making the original if reception was as great as believed?
The 370z doesn't have the magic of the 240z and the Corvette is boring compare to the first Viper. Regardless, the new cars are vastly superior.
Until we see the revised versions passing judgement is IMHO not fair. I just got a Herbst Ti and while it's amazing it can't hold a candle to a Sage2. Not...even...close.
Yes but we aren't really comparing apples and oranges like you are but apples to apples...mostly. The Starmate to Starmate comparison is a model to model comparison and I don't think that htere is a single person that would take the new one over the old. The new looks and feels cheaper, not as well done. And lacks much of what makes the old one a great knife. The C95 to the Manix 2 XL is a little different I will admit...but they are essentially the same model.Blerv wrote:These knives are facing a different era than the originals a decade ago. That means they should evolve and also can't be directly compared to the old models regarding sales. Then again, why did they stop making the original if reception was as great as believed?
The 370z doesn't have the magic of the 240z and the Corvette is boring compare to the first Viper. Regardless, the new cars are vastly superior.
Until we see the revised versions passing judgement is IMHO not fair. I just got a Herbst Ti and while it's amazing it can't hold a candle to a Sage2. Not...even...close.
To add to that, I am newer in Spyderco's and never had a chance to own some of the older great models discussed here. While this particular model is not one I am interested in, there are several ones I would love to see come back and be my "original"phillipsted wrote:I tend to agree with you, Blerv. I've been tearing down a lot of my older Spydies lately to see how they are put together (looking for opportunities to mod them, as well as just clean them up). I am continually amazed how Sal and Spyderco have advanced the engineering designs of their knives over the years.
The Herbst is a great example. I dearly love this knife, but he way the pivot is constructed, it is very difficult to get the proper tension on the blade for a secure scale attachment - without sacrificing smoothness of opening. There is a sweet spot, but it is very very narrow and hard to maintain with use.
Another example - the original C-15 Terzuoloa and C-19 Terzuola Jr. Both are among my favorite Spydies of all time. But the scales are constructed so that the pins screw directly through the single liner and into the opposite scale. The opposite scales are threaded. On top of that, the stop pin is set into recesses in the liner and scale - providing a nice "blind pin" appearance. But this makes maintenance on this sucker a real bear!
Spyderco keep evolving with its program of continuous quality improvement. The modern construction methods make a much more serviceable and durable knife. That shouldn't keep us from waxing nostalgic about the older models - but the newer construction methods put modern Spydies in a completely different league.
TedP
