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Postby hunterseeker5 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:14 am

Carbon 1.35%
Chrome 3.75%
Molybdenum 10.5%
Tungsten 6.25%
Vanadium 2.0%

Ok we can all read the datasheet saying its a bearing steel, can be hardened to ~65HRC, homogeneous composition, non-stainless etc. There seems to be a lot of talk about this steel, but with the exception of strider pyr-bars nobody has put it on a knife. Would people be interested in seeing this steel on a Mule or sprint? I personally would absolutely adore a Para2 in this steel to try it out, but the mule is probably a much more logical place to start.

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Postby Spider bite » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:33 am

Yes I want some.
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Postby The Mentaculous » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:55 am

10.5% Mo? Wow.

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Postby phaust » Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:39 am

Here is Crucible's data sheet on it http://www.sisa1.com.mx/pdf/CPM%20REX%2 ... nglish.pdf

The chart there shows it has slightly better wear resistance than M4 (which is pretty nice) at about half the toughness.

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Postby sal » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:32 pm

Hi Huterseeker,

We're looking into it now.

Anybody interested in this new trademarked Crucible Powdered steel?

sal

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Postby jabba359 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:49 pm

sal wrote:Anybody interested in this new trademarked Crucible Powdered steel?

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Postby jossta » Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:22 pm

sal wrote:Hi Huterseeker,

We're looking into it now.

Anybody interested in this new trademarked Crucible Powdered steel?

sal
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Postby rosconey » Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:22 pm

sal wrote:Hi Huterseeker,

We're looking into it now.

Anybody interested in this new trademarked Crucible Powdered steel?

sal
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Postby DeathBySnooSnoo » Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:24 pm

So from what I gather...it should hold an edge like M4 (or better) and yet should roll rather than chip (toughness like S35V). That sounds like a winner...
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Postby hunterseeker5 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:28 pm

Sal recognized me. *faints* :D

The thing which really caught my eye, and most people's eye I suspect, is the unusually large amount of molybdenum. Its an alloy usually added to metal cutting steels and adds improved properties at higher temperatures if my understanding is correct. S90v has 1% of it, and M4 has 5.25% of it. After enough time staring at datasheets and scratching my head I've decided that heat treat is more important than steel and that there can be a lot more to a steel than its datasheet alone would suggest ergo someone like spyderco who can actually consistently put a good heat treat on an unusual new steel is really the only production company worth trying steels from (anyone remember the kershaw CPM s110v fiasco?) and that trying to analyze chemistry ultimately won't get you very far when you're at the high end of steels. We'll just have to try it and see.

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Postby toomzz » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:06 pm

Both HS and Sal, the more mules and different steels, the merrier. As soon as my creditcard gets depleted I will let you know :D

However that Vim Cru points a little in the direction of M4 with a double-dose of Mo (s).

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Postby DMgangl » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:25 pm

Im always interested in a new steel. Id be down for a mule to start it out.

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Postby toomzz » Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:30 pm

he DM, your signature makes me happy.....

Also anxiously waiting for that particular Caly....

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Postby sal » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:17 pm

Actually, it has my interest as well.

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Postby The Mastiff » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:24 pm

This would be a really expensive mule. I had to get rid of my strider due to money concerns. It's a sort of super M2. They made it for situations where red hardness was needed but cobalt couldn't be used.

Not real tough stuff, and really rusty. As in a fingerprint in a short amount of time. Super blue is stainless compared to Rex 20.

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Postby hunterseeker5 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:29 pm

Ok Mr. Mastiff, if it isn't really all its cracked up to be why do you think Strider ended up using it for a few different custom pieces? Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not a strider fan, I'm just in earnest asking why you think it made an appearance. Clearly it had to do something someone was impressed by, and somehow I don't think it was because strider wanted their knives to work glowing hot in the fires of whatever.....

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Postby Steeldreams » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:01 pm

I'll defininitely buy whatever you make in this steel.

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Postby Senate » Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:54 am

let's have a Mule to start with! :)
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Postby The Mastiff » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:47 am

Ok Mr. Mastiff, if it isn't really all its cracked up to be why do you think Strider ended up using it for a few different custom pieces? Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not a strider fan, I'm just in earnest asking why you think it made an appearance. Clearly it had to do something someone was impressed by, and somehow I don't think it was because strider wanted their knives to work glowing hot in the fires of whatever.....
I think it was all they had. Someone probably gave or sold them a small amount. At the time the knives came out it wasn't in stock anywhere I'm aware of. It still might be out of stock.

From what I hear Dwayne Dwyer is a steel Junky. It was his custom, not a strider piece though for all intents and purposes it was just a SNG with a upgraded steel and nice finish.

For some reason the high speed steels seem to make good knives just like the bearing steels do. M2, and CPM M4 are evidence of this. The M4 Spydercos are in my all time top 5 list for performance.

I'd love a mule or two in this steel if Sal could pull it off. It's very wear resistant but not all that tough.

To be honest I think there are some versions of M3, or it's beefed up brother Duratech 30 I'd like to try in a blade too. There is much unexplored territory in that class of steels. Pick just about any of them out and it will have some decent performance characteristics. Likely some reasons to not use them as well like price, heat treat, etc.

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Postby Meshuggah » Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:12 am

How about a Manix C95 in that steel ? :D
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