hmm....that makes sense.... In that case I could add a nice new spacer made of G10. Orange on that black G10 or CFSequimite wrote:The spacer serves one other function. One's hand presses against it whether using the choil or gripped further back, making for a more comfortable grip during heavy and/or extended cutting.
Yes. I've removed backspacers and replaced with standoffs on B*made knives after the manufacturer has done the same. If they have done it, I figure it works. I'm not interested in free-lancing, but that's an individual choice.Water Bug wrote:I figure Sal and Eric know what they're doing when they design their knives, so I just leave them as they are. There's a reason for everything, I'm sure Sal has his reasons for designing the Spyderco Military the way he did... and, that's good enough for me.
Oh, yes, you are right... it's absolutely an individual's choice on what they do with their knives. My choice is to stay with what Sal intended. To do otherwise may not necessarily make it right or wrong; however, I at least know that staying with Sal's design and reason will make the knife work as Sal intended... and, that's good enough for me.JNewell wrote:Yes. I've removed backspacers and replaced with standoffs on B*made knives after the manufacturer has done the same. If they have done it, I figure it works. I'm not interested in free-lancing, but that's an individual choice.
brj wrote:I have removed the delrin backspacer from 4 of my older Millies and have detected no negative impact on the structural integrity of the handle in usage; on newer models (>2009 I think, the backspacer is aluminum)
some info from Sal on the topic here
sal wrote:Hi BRJ,
The Military was one of the early "open-backed" models in production. The original backspacer was created to house a "glow-in-the-dark" capsule that would show through holes in the scale as well as add a degree of stiffness without adding much weight.
Although we have made numerous minor refinements to the model, the Military is ready for a major design overhaul. The backspacer is something that will be changed (as well as the clip). We've not yet decided the best method to maintain the stiffness of the relatively large handle without the "triangulation" created by the current spacer. We have to add fuller liners to accomodate the clip screws so more options for stiffness will be available.
I just checked my Ti-M4 Millie....you are correct about the aluminum back spacer.VashHash wrote:I've heard of people taking the standoffs out of the delrin and using those. It makes the knife completely open and really easy to clean. I'm tempted to do it to my CF S90V millie. I believe the ti models have an aluminium backspacer.
David, what's the date code on your S30V Millie? Perhaps Spyderco has moved to putting aluminum back spacers in the current production Military. My old S30V Millie dated AG (01/07) sports a delrin spacer.David Lowry wrote:My standard CPM-S30V Military has an aluminum backspacer. I scratched it to see, no plastic at all.
The way I see it, the rigidity of the handle is assured by the huge amount of steel that extends inside the handle when the knife is open - on the pivot end, and by the stepped lanyard pipe - on the back of the knife, and only marginally by the backspacer... The fact that the fluted Ti model has only standoffs may also corroborate.JNewell wrote:Actually, Sal's post indicates that he believes that the backspacer is serving an important role in preserving the stability and rigidity of the Military. Therefore, removing it apparently weakens the knife. Whether that is going to present a functional or safety problem for your uses is hard to say...