I am a professional firefighter, who has been carrying Spyderco knives all my career. I have a "Snap-it" clipped to my turnout coat and a "Rescue" in my bunker pants pocket. I work in the low income area of my city, and we have a large amount of fires in some very old structures (match sticks if you will). I have never had either of my knives melt or get misshapen due to heat. I would reccomend any Spyderco product as an EDC on the job.
Chris
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Chris,
I think you got the record for multi-posting although Steve was putting up a good fight! <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> It's happened to all of us at one time. Just ignore the error message that pops up and consider it posted once you submit your reply.
It's great to hear both your and Steve's recommendatations. I have no FD expirience but can appreciate the work you all do to keep us safe. Good to hear Spydies hold up under heat well - maybe there is some data we can locate on the least heat conductive and most heat resistant handle material. Your words are endorsement enough for me but maybe <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>co can research and use it as a selling point. Good words Chris. Since I've never crossed your e-path before, a late welcome to you and welcome to Steve. <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Stay safe! Stay sharp! <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Edited by - java on 5/25/2002 2:40:05 PM
I think you got the record for multi-posting although Steve was putting up a good fight! <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> It's happened to all of us at one time. Just ignore the error message that pops up and consider it posted once you submit your reply.
It's great to hear both your and Steve's recommendatations. I have no FD expirience but can appreciate the work you all do to keep us safe. Good to hear Spydies hold up under heat well - maybe there is some data we can locate on the least heat conductive and most heat resistant handle material. Your words are endorsement enough for me but maybe <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>co can research and use it as a selling point. Good words Chris. Since I've never crossed your e-path before, a late welcome to you and welcome to Steve. <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Stay safe! Stay sharp! <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
Edited by - java on 5/25/2002 2:40:05 PM
WOW, lots of replies. (it would have been nice if the 'puter would have e-mailed me about this. I could have replied sooner)
While I was away I found out FRN will melt at low temps (didn't get a #), but we knew that. G-10 was designed for military use in computer mother boards. They needed it to withstand high heat and stress without warping, cracking, or transferring heat to components (don't know about the nuke thing though). So G-10 sounds like a good handle. Draw back is Spyderco's rescue is FRN and going out the door. I want to stick with the blunt tip of the rescue. I have and use other Spydercos, the Military kicks ***. But I see using this for inside rescue, cuting free from caught clothes, fouled webbing, tangled hoses, etc. I don't want the risk of stabbing myself or a team mate in the hurry to free up. This will not be meant for digging in the structure looking for sparks or hot spots. The Brit had the right of it: a knife for a knife and a pry bar for a pry bar. I'm going to skip the whole fixed vs. folder issue. Good points were given.
The knives on the market I see now that might fit are...
Benchmade Styker Rescue
Emerson SARK
I dismissed others because of FRN handles, all metal handles, or Kydex seathes (a person at River City Sheath informed me that Kydex and Concealex will deform at 180 degrees. So the knife never comes out or never stays in.) I'm looking into Carbon Fiber (sheathes, handles, what ever).
So I am still hoping for more talk and suggetstions. I have a certain loyalty to Spyderco for the knife's help in ODS so I am hoping for more on the rumors of a new design on the rescue coming out. I would like a spyderco to fit this bill, but their current known stock doesn't seem to.
The length of our days and time of our death have been fated long ago.
While I was away I found out FRN will melt at low temps (didn't get a #), but we knew that. G-10 was designed for military use in computer mother boards. They needed it to withstand high heat and stress without warping, cracking, or transferring heat to components (don't know about the nuke thing though). So G-10 sounds like a good handle. Draw back is Spyderco's rescue is FRN and going out the door. I want to stick with the blunt tip of the rescue. I have and use other Spydercos, the Military kicks ***. But I see using this for inside rescue, cuting free from caught clothes, fouled webbing, tangled hoses, etc. I don't want the risk of stabbing myself or a team mate in the hurry to free up. This will not be meant for digging in the structure looking for sparks or hot spots. The Brit had the right of it: a knife for a knife and a pry bar for a pry bar. I'm going to skip the whole fixed vs. folder issue. Good points were given.
The knives on the market I see now that might fit are...
Benchmade Styker Rescue
Emerson SARK
I dismissed others because of FRN handles, all metal handles, or Kydex seathes (a person at River City Sheath informed me that Kydex and Concealex will deform at 180 degrees. So the knife never comes out or never stays in.) I'm looking into Carbon Fiber (sheathes, handles, what ever).
So I am still hoping for more talk and suggetstions. I have a certain loyalty to Spyderco for the knife's help in ODS so I am hoping for more on the rumors of a new design on the rescue coming out. I would like a spyderco to fit this bill, but their current known stock doesn't seem to.
The length of our days and time of our death have been fated long ago.
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OK, you want a point that you can't easily stab someone with. I can see that. Have you looked at the Lil' Temperance, in spear point?
It's G-10, which is heat resistant, and it's quite difficult to accidentally stab someone with a spear point, as the point is quite thick.
Keepin' it real...real sharp, that is.
It's G-10, which is heat resistant, and it's quite difficult to accidentally stab someone with a spear point, as the point is quite thick.
Keepin' it real...real sharp, that is.
I've seen the Temperance, haven't used one yet. I would rather stick to "rescue" points for this application though. I have yet to see a Spyderco with a point that wasn't sharp and easy to poke into something.
It just wouldn't be Spyderco like.
The length of our days and time of our death have been fated long ago.
It just wouldn't be Spyderco like.
The length of our days and time of our death have been fated long ago.
I carry an endura, rescue, and emt shears when on duty. The endura is clipped to my waist under my turnout coat and the rescue is clipped to a pocket on my turnout coat. Never had a problem with warping or melting. They are inexpensive enough that if I did have to use them and they got damaged, then I can easily get another.
I also use a snap-it and a BM river/rescue for water rescue and diving stuff. I know a lot of jurisdictions will not allow you to carry a fixed blade on duty so you might want to check before you buy.
I am looking forward to the new rescue design. Any idea when it is coming out?
I also use a snap-it and a BM river/rescue for water rescue and diving stuff. I know a lot of jurisdictions will not allow you to carry a fixed blade on duty so you might want to check before you buy.
I am looking forward to the new rescue design. Any idea when it is coming out?
Firediver
Thanx for the info. I have used and really trust the Rescue. I was concerned it would end up ruined if I had it with me in a big fire.
All I have heard is a rumor that there is going to be a new design for the Rescue, nothing more.
The length of our days and time of our death have been fated long ago.
Thanx for the info. I have used and really trust the Rescue. I was concerned it would end up ruined if I had it with me in a big fire.
All I have heard is a rumor that there is going to be a new design for the Rescue, nothing more.
The length of our days and time of our death have been fated long ago.
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Got 12 years on the job.As far as heat,remember your facepiece is PLASTIC and RUBBER,by the time your knife would melt you'd already be dead.
My company runs 3,000 plus runs a year with our share of "workers",I really can't remember having to use my knife while still knocking down the fire.Although "self rescue" is a concern,seen guys get hung up in wires more than once.With thick,heavy,stiff gloves on it is very hard to grab and open a folder.I've tested ones with holes,studs and disk's,none to easy.I know this is spyderco's forum but I found CRTK m16 with the flipper the easest to open with gloves.Tightwad has a good point with a fixed blade,but most dept.would not allow this.
A folder for uniform wear,and a small stout fb,with a fat handle hung upside down off your scba would be ideal,if allowed.
Edited by - Lonehunter on 5/29/2002 6:24:48 PM
My company runs 3,000 plus runs a year with our share of "workers",I really can't remember having to use my knife while still knocking down the fire.Although "self rescue" is a concern,seen guys get hung up in wires more than once.With thick,heavy,stiff gloves on it is very hard to grab and open a folder.I've tested ones with holes,studs and disk's,none to easy.I know this is spyderco's forum but I found CRTK m16 with the flipper the easest to open with gloves.Tightwad has a good point with a fixed blade,but most dept.would not allow this.
A folder for uniform wear,and a small stout fb,with a fat handle hung upside down off your scba would be ideal,if allowed.
Edited by - Lonehunter on 5/29/2002 6:24:48 PM
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Well I work for an urban dept.Knives are seen as weapons.By the white shirts(chiefs)and by the public(who stab each other with them almost daily).
Now add in that about 1/2 the firefighters or more,carry NO knife at all and the ones who do often get by with a sak or a pos knock-off at the bottem of their pocket and you may see why fb would be frowned upon or out right banned.
Think about it,they supply me with a truck worth 1/2 million,all kinds of gear and tools,radios,thermal imaging cameras etc.flashlights that cost $100 a piece.Why because its been found that we need these things to do the job.I know NO fire dept.that issues a knife.Try telling a chief who has been on the job 30 years and never carried a knife the you need a fixed blade.
I do believe there may be hope,if someone would make the right one sized right with the right features,and really pushed the self-rescue issue.Oh well,I'm doing my part turning guys onto knivesone at a time.
Now add in that about 1/2 the firefighters or more,carry NO knife at all and the ones who do often get by with a sak or a pos knock-off at the bottem of their pocket and you may see why fb would be frowned upon or out right banned.
Think about it,they supply me with a truck worth 1/2 million,all kinds of gear and tools,radios,thermal imaging cameras etc.flashlights that cost $100 a piece.Why because its been found that we need these things to do the job.I know NO fire dept.that issues a knife.Try telling a chief who has been on the job 30 years and never carried a knife the you need a fixed blade.
I do believe there may be hope,if someone would make the right one sized right with the right features,and really pushed the self-rescue issue.Oh well,I'm doing my part turning guys onto knivesone at a time.
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