How are you liking the Blackie Collins Bolt Lock?
How are you liking the Blackie Collins Bolt Lock?
Those of you that have a Sage 3, what do you think of the lock? Would you like to see it on other models?
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I'll take a midlock over it any day but I do find it somewhat easier to operate than the caged ball lock, and much easier to operate than the regular ball lock.
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I would take one in a heartbeat, but I would like to see the button changed over to a ramped type release like Blackie's earlier designs. It would be easier to operate for those with less nimble fingers than I.
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I'm liking it a lot. It was initially a little sticky, but has loosened up very nicely. I doubt the bolt will ever retract quite as smoothly as the ball in the BBL/CBBL knives, but the bolt action works very nicely. The little "nubs" might be just a tad less pointy, but it's not a big deal.
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Apart from the lock, I continue to like the Sage series. It's a great knife design, very well executed by the maker from excellent materials. The series concept is a great concept and the linked donation is for a great cause. Nothing not to like...
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Bolt lock VS C/BBL VS Axis
Been playing around with the Bolt, BB, CBBL and (painful, but instructive) Axis locks the last couple of weeks.
The Axis is by far the easiest to manipulate with only my thumb. All the other locks require compression of a coil spring, while the axis uses a much larger arc, more like a leaf spring (one on each thumb stud so the action is even).
The Collins lock seems to involve by far the most lock travel of the bunch. (The Axis probably moves a bit further, but there's less mass to move.) Strangely enough, I think it's also the most "solid" feeling of all the locks; the bolt is supported by all kinds of steel posts and pins and springs and kitchen sinks and things that they've managed to cram in there. I've become convinced that the increased travel actually gives a big advantage in terms of feel--the lock has support through the entire range of operation, and the spring force doesn't need to be as high in order to keep the lock from accidentally disengaging.
The biggest advantage to the BBL/CBBL design, as I understand it, is that wear will have almost no effect on the lockup. The knife should feel just as solid in 100 years as it does when it leaves the factory. The CBBL in my Manix 2 uses a much stronger spring than the ones in my Dodo and D'Allara, though, and I've got to admit that it's my least favourite of all the locks. That said, now that I'm used to the feel of the spring and the ramps of the "cage" (and since any of these locks feels much, much better with thumb+forefinger manipulation) I'm just as confident with the CBBL as with any of the other locks. (It's also much easier to manipulate with gloves on, maybe even moreso than the Axis.)
I think the CBBL could use some refinement, but on the whole I'm glad that it's the lock in the Manix 2. That said, the bolt lock (and its designer, and Spyderco's R&D team, and the engineers from Taichung) has earned my respect, and I'm a bit sad that this is probably the only place Spyderco will use it.
The Axis is by far the easiest to manipulate with only my thumb. All the other locks require compression of a coil spring, while the axis uses a much larger arc, more like a leaf spring (one on each thumb stud so the action is even).
The Collins lock seems to involve by far the most lock travel of the bunch. (The Axis probably moves a bit further, but there's less mass to move.) Strangely enough, I think it's also the most "solid" feeling of all the locks; the bolt is supported by all kinds of steel posts and pins and springs and kitchen sinks and things that they've managed to cram in there. I've become convinced that the increased travel actually gives a big advantage in terms of feel--the lock has support through the entire range of operation, and the spring force doesn't need to be as high in order to keep the lock from accidentally disengaging.
The biggest advantage to the BBL/CBBL design, as I understand it, is that wear will have almost no effect on the lockup. The knife should feel just as solid in 100 years as it does when it leaves the factory. The CBBL in my Manix 2 uses a much stronger spring than the ones in my Dodo and D'Allara, though, and I've got to admit that it's my least favourite of all the locks. That said, now that I'm used to the feel of the spring and the ramps of the "cage" (and since any of these locks feels much, much better with thumb+forefinger manipulation) I'm just as confident with the CBBL as with any of the other locks. (It's also much easier to manipulate with gloves on, maybe even moreso than the Axis.)
I think the CBBL could use some refinement, but on the whole I'm glad that it's the lock in the Manix 2. That said, the bolt lock (and its designer, and Spyderco's R&D team, and the engineers from Taichung) has earned my respect, and I'm a bit sad that this is probably the only place Spyderco will use it.
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I love it!! Love the color and the amount of texture on the g10. I know it hurts a bit to use one finger/thumb to fully disengage, but I have overcome that, by using the tip, below the nail+nail- ish [just think of that general area] and press the side of the button down and works like a charm. And the action is so smooth, just like the manix 2's. So I have absolutely no complaints!
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I agree. I don't really like how they are conical and pointy shaped. But other than that, I like it.Gunslinger wrote:The only thing I dont like about the bolt action lock is the actuation levers. they look nice, but they're not very comfortable to use.
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user feedback sal craves! i bet he's listening. i bet if there is a next time the area will be softer, like a piece of soft rubber there to push back and forth maybe :)Jay_Ev wrote:I agree. I don't really like how they are conical and pointy shaped. But other than that, I like it.
-doesn't bother me much. i don't constantly open/close it so my callous will etc etc etc
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I really like mine--it has a good combination of smoothness and ease of operation while still feeling solid. I love the all-steel construction of the locking device. The little textured on the steel knob makes it easy to operate for me. I can consistently operate the lock one-fingered, unlike the caged ball lock, which I have never even been able to get open once without using 2 fingers (I still like that lock, but it's nice to have the ease of operation).
Personally, I like having a variety of different locking devices, and they all have pro's and con's. For a more heavy-duty, utilitarian lock, I really like the Bolt Lock, and for me it's right up there with the CBL and Comp. Lock as far as a easy-to use one handed heavy duty locking device. Each has it's own charm and it's own limitations, but I think it's a cool addition to the Spyderco lineup, and a perfect use of the Sage series' original intent, to demonstrate and pay tribute to classic knife innovations.
Personally, I like having a variety of different locking devices, and they all have pro's and con's. For a more heavy-duty, utilitarian lock, I really like the Bolt Lock, and for me it's right up there with the CBL and Comp. Lock as far as a easy-to use one handed heavy duty locking device. Each has it's own charm and it's own limitations, but I think it's a cool addition to the Spyderco lineup, and a perfect use of the Sage series' original intent, to demonstrate and pay tribute to classic knife innovations.