SE P'kal?

[Linguini3]

Still waiting on my P'Kal to arrive from CS, just shipped yesterday :D .

While I've been waiting and thinking about P'kal application and such, it occurred to me that a SE version should be much more effective in a SD situation.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole point of the RGEI grip in a SD situation is to use ripping motions creating an effect similair to an animal using its claws.

Seeing as how the Civilian, which is a purpose built SD knife is serrated (although not meant to be used in RGEI it still proves that serrations are better geared toward slashing motions in SD) wouldn't a SE P'kal fit the RGEI role better than a PE.

Now, I would probably still preffer a plain edge since i might be carrying this knife in situations where carrying more than one knife isn't possible (or i'm too lazy to carry more than one :p ) and i need a utility knife that can perform an SD role.
But, perhaps putting a SE P'kal into production wouldn't be such a bad idea for those who carry their P'kal solely for self defense.

[2cha]

From what I recall reading--NOT from personal knowledge--there is a potential issue with SE SD knives to become entangled with clothing so PE are preferred. Of course, I could be wrong.

[Blerv]

Yea there are snagging issues and cloth/leather tends to slip against skin acting as an additional "armor" barrier.

I'm sure there are reasons for the Warrior and Civilian's teeth but I can't put my finger on it. Looking cool has to count for something at the least. :)

[RogerRabbit]

This thing is so pointy and freaking sharp, I cut myself badly on the thumb, just being stupid and fumbling arround in my pocket for my car key like an idiot. Turned out the key wasn't in the pocket.

However... putting a SE on this knife would be like putting a bayonet on a sword. :D

[PSU]

However... putting a SE on this knife would be like putting a bayonet on a sword. :D

LOL, nice quote :D

[2cha]

However... putting a SE on this knife would be like putting a bayonet on a sword. :D

Wow, and that was only you're 7th post? Keep 'em coming!!!!!

[Joe Talmadge]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole point of the RGEI grip in a SD situation is to use ripping motions creating an effect similair to an animal using its claws.

Linguini, the "ripping motion" (shearing retraction) is definitely not the whole point of this methodology. The grip excels at a number of things, but if I were to pick out one thing to say is the main point (no pun intended), it's thrusting with the point. The shearing effect you describe is just an opportunistic thing that you can do if the strike path is interrupted... and a lot of times, I don't do any shearing at all, even in that case.

In any case, the bottom line is that anything that reduces thrusting penetration or shearing ability -- through snagging or friction -- is a no-no, which is why we don't use serrations.

Seeing as how the Civilian, which is a purpose built SD knife is serrated (although not meant to be used in RGEI it still proves that serrations are better geared toward slashing motions in SD)

The Civilian definitely doesn't prove that. I'd almost argue the reverse -- it proves that if the blade is ginormous enough, maybe it doesn't matter so much :)

[Linguini3]

Thanks for clearing up my questions joe and everyone else, actually makes alot more sense now.

All thats left is for my new knife to come in :cool:

[ForealBoreal]

x nay on the spyderedge.
This knife is great as a PE

[Dr. Snubnose]

There are certain Spyderco knives and others where the SE doesn't get caught up on clothing like the Mas Ayoob and Mini-Pit Bull from Timberline... but I think it has to do with blade to handle geometry...or in the case if the Mini-Pit Bull the serrations are rounded as opposed to concave....Generally SE is a no-no for SD....Doc :D

[Dr. Snubnose]

Linguini, the "ripping motion" (shearing retraction) is definitely not the whole point of this methodology. The grip excels at a number of things, but if I were to pick out one thing to say is the main point (no pun intended), it's thrusting with the point. The shearing effect you describe is just an opportunistic thing that you can do if the strike path is interrupted... and a lot of times, I don't do any shearing at all, even in that case.

In any case, the bottom line is that anything that reduces thrusting penetration or shearing ability -- through snagging or friction -- is a no-no, which is why we don't use serrations.



The Civilian definitely doesn't prove that. I'd almost argue the reverse -- it proves that if the blade is ginormous enough, maybe it doesn't matter so much :)

Ay Joe, Maybe you can give a brief explanation (without giving up trade secrets) to the good people how RGEI thrusting is different from thrusting RGEO, taking in account the techniques used by SouthNarc and Ray...I think this would go a long way to understanding why it's beneficial...Doc :D