In my experience the DMT stones don’t really “wear out” in the classic sense of the word. I have some extremely heavily used DMT stones that date back to 2010. They are most certainly not the same as they were new, but they still cut and they leave a great finish.GarageBoy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:36 amDMTs wear out too - they're just better than Smiths diamond products - atoma plates are a bit better. Not sure where ezelap/lansky falls inFireBug1 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:53 amThe topic required a little research! DMT stones were the first of its kind I do believe. They’ve patented their process of developing their products. Via how its made SCI/DSC network the diamond dust is put on steel plates and are embedded into the steel by scientific process making a permanent bond. Most other diamond stones are produced using special Polymers And binders. Although the others may last for years ultimately will wear out. Thus the added cost of the DMT quality should last a lifetime
The resin and vitrified bond diamonds are a different story, see Shawn/deadboxhero for more info
My EF wore out the fastest as well. Still works, but nowhere near the same. I think we're onto something here. My fine is great. Both are 5 years old.AwayFromMySpydieHole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:34 pmIn my experience the DMT stones don’t really “wear out” in the classic sense of the word. I have some extremely heavily used DMT stones that date back to 2010. They are most certainly not the same as they were new, but they still cut and they leave a great finish.GarageBoy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:36 amDMTs wear out too - they're just better than Smiths diamond products - atoma plates are a bit better. Not sure where ezelap/lansky falls inFireBug1 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:53 amThe topic required a little research! DMT stones were the first of its kind I do believe. They’ve patented their process of developing their products. Via how its made SCI/DSC network the diamond dust is put on steel plates and are embedded into the steel by scientific process making a permanent bond. Most other diamond stones are produced using special Polymers And binders. Although the others may last for years ultimately will wear out. Thus the added cost of the DMT quality should last a lifetime
The resin and vitrified bond diamonds are a different story, see Shawn/deadboxhero for more info
I simply move the stones up in grit rating as they wear. What used to be my coarse is now my semi-c to medium. My fine hasn’t really worn honestly. It still cuts great it just leaves a nicer finish.
My EF has worn for sure, which is strange. It’s almost like a strop now.
Anyway, if you want to keep using them you can, you just have to modify their place in your regimen.
I actually have had a few of Lansky's sharpening tools over the years that I thought were pretty decent for no more than I paid for them. Most definitely better than anything of Smith's. A good friend of mine still brags on Lansky's clamp-on guided system. I've told him about the Spyderco Sharpmaker and he claims he's having great luck with the Lansky unit. So yes I do have some respect for that company and some of their products.bearfacedkiller wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:35 amI have an old worn out Smith’s. I also have a lansky M/F 2x6 diamond bench stone. I would probably go with the Lansky but both are budget stones. The Lansky is my beater stone and it is holding up well enough.
This is my exact experience now, and I believe its one reason I can get clean shaving edges off my XC DMT while before I had to use my fine.AwayFromMySpydieHole wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:34 pmIn my experience the DMT stones don’t really “wear out” in the classic sense of the word. I have some extremely heavily used DMT stones that date back to 2010. They are most certainly not the same as they were new, but they still cut and they leave a great finish.GarageBoy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:36 amDMTs wear out too - they're just better than Smiths diamond products - atoma plates are a bit better. Not sure where ezelap/lansky falls inFireBug1 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:53 amThe topic required a little research! DMT stones were the first of its kind I do believe. They’ve patented their process of developing their products. Via how its made SCI/DSC network the diamond dust is put on steel plates and are embedded into the steel by scientific process making a permanent bond. Most other diamond stones are produced using special Polymers And binders. Although the others may last for years ultimately will wear out. Thus the added cost of the DMT quality should last a lifetime
The resin and vitrified bond diamonds are a different story, see Shawn/deadboxhero for more info
I simply move the stones up in grit rating as they wear. What used to be my coarse is now my semi-c to medium. My fine hasn’t really worn honestly. It still cuts great it just leaves a nicer finish.
My EF has worn for sure, which is strange. It’s almost like a strop now.
Anyway, if you want to keep using them you can, you just have to modify their place in your regimen.
You’re right. No one talks about Norton too much. My main setup is the IM313 oilstone. It’s a tri-stone system. Coarse and Med Crystolon, and a fine India. I love it. I only wish Norton made a 11.5”x2.5” coarse diamond plate to swap in place of the coarse crystolon. If they do, I can’t find it. DMT offers a full set that will fit though.JD Spydo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:33 amI've got a few diamond sharpening tools including 3 of their Benchstones and I find their quality to be right up there with anyone else's. I'm speaking of the diamond sharpening tools made by "3M" Company. I've owned other diamond tools over the years but I've never owned any better than the ones made by 3M.
I also own 2 diamond benchstones made by Norton. I've had great luck with their diamond sharpening tools as well. But in all of our knife-nut, sharpening circles you never hear of either one of those companies mentioned.
Dang. Apologies. Yes they do. And I actually just found exactly what I was looking for.
Yeah, that is absolutely pricey, wow.DirtMcGirt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:13 pmDang. Apologies. Yes they do. And I actually just found exactly what I was looking for.
https://www.aaabrasives.com/norton-11-1 ... gJYafD_BwE
But I can get 3 equal size DMT plates dmt for the same price.
Yeah, I’ve had a coarse/fine dual-sided DMT 10” stone since 2002, and haven’t been gentle like I should, and it’s still cutting. If you’re not doing much axe sharpening, diamond plates should go a loooong time.
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