The Rock Salt was 3mm thick. I think it was discontinued because it was just a lot of steel and the cost was too high to produce it.Chris_H wrote:A couple of obstacles right off already exist going against a Military in H-1.
Another challenge would be "rust proofing" the inlaid liners that now exist on both sides of the Military model.
- H-1 blades are hollow ground because of production limitations (i.e., cost prohibitive), so a H-1 Millitary wouldn't have the typical (and highly coveted for some) FFG. Could also potentially affect the ability to do the double distal taper feature.
- The Rock Salt was discontinued because of difficulties with obtaining 4mm thick sheets of the steel for use. That would mean the same thing for the Military which shares that thickness
No doubt this is a case of, "If makes it, 'they' will buy it." However, it's the number of "they" that are willing to pay out what this would cost to make it a viable production run; that is what will ultimately leave it on the concept drawing board.
Thanks, I couldn't remember for sure if the Rock Salt was 3 or 4mm. But, the Military definitely is. That may still pose a problem for getting the H1 in the right thickness from the foundry.Ben_1323 wrote:The Rock Salt was 3mm thick. I think it was discontinued because it was just a lot of steel and the cost was too high to produce it.
Now that is a configuration I would like to see too.Joe Internet wrote:Titanium handles would solve the liner problem.
H-1 work hardens as it is ground. Hollow grinding is done on both sides of the blade at the same time, so the hardening is even. Flat grinding (on a production scale) is done on one side at a time. By the time the first side is ground, the blade has hardened enough to cause problems with grinding the other side. Knifemakers like Tom Krein can flat grind H-1, but they work by hand, alternating sides and cooling between passes. That's fine for custom work, but it would be too expensive for full production. Production lines need to kick out ten or more blades in the time it takes Tom to do one. Adding an extra $30 to the cost of producing each blade would really jack up the retail price.Jester wrote:Could someone explain? I don't know enough to understand why FFG on H1 is more expensive than hollow grind or why it is more of an issue than FFG on other steels.
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I need to expand that statement and explain. I think the entire design of the Millie does not lend itself well to the entire H1 concept. In the salt knives, the blade isn't the only thing that needs to be corrosion resistant. There are pins, lockbar, clip, etc. To address this, they use pinned construction and a Ti barrel bolt clip. Now compare that to the screwed construction of the Military. I'm pretty sure there were good reasons to avoid using tiny screws in the construction of the salt and those reasons will mean that an H1 Millie would need a extreme redesign or appropriately corrosion resistant screws would have to be found.frontline29 wrote:out of all things, why do you think the clip would pose the biggest challenge to over come?
They already export H1 in finished knives. There's no reason that the blades couldn't be made in Japan and sent to Colorado for final build." wrote:Another difficulty not mentioned is steel. Since the Milli is made in Golden, they'd have to import the H1. Even if this is possible (The Japanese are not too keen on exporting their better steels in commercial quantities), it would increase costs.
The Salt series are already being converted to screw construction as a rolling change." wrote: I'm pretty sure there were good reasons to avoid using tiny screws in the construction of the salt and those reasons will mean that an H1 Millie would need a extreme redesign or appropriately corrosion resistant screws would have to be found.