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Question concerning the Matriarch

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According to the Spydiewiki page, there are three variations of the Matriarch.

C12SBK Black FRN SE ATS-55 no Boye dent.

C12SGY Grey FRN SE ATS-55

C12SBK Black FRN SE VG-10

However, the one I recently acquired is Black FRN SE ATS-55 WITH the Boye dent. Just wondering if I have an unlisted variation or if there was a mistake made in the Spydiewiki, or...? :confused:

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A closer view of the steel marking and the Boye dent
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Well it is a pinned construction so a blade swap isn't a possibility.
The info is probably just wrong, it is a Wiki afterall.
It might be from the time they just switched to using the Boye dent but didn't upgrade the steel yet.
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I have the exact same knife...must be a mistake on Wikiped...or we both have variations worth a small fortune ;) Doc :D
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Nice find!

As the author of the Spydiewiki.com article on the C12 Civilians and Matriarchs I can only say it's one i have never seen before. It's a generation and half as i like to call them, models with a modification halfway between minor and major!
You actually have a version which i don't of the C12. Not many has :D ;)
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Oh, and Spydiewiki article will of course be updated accordingly :)
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Interesting!...Doc :D
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Fairlane wrote:Nice find!

As the author of the Spydiewiki.com article on the C12 Civilians and Matriarchs I can only say it's one i have never seen before. It's a generation and half as i like to call them, models with a modification halfway between minor and major!
You actually have a version which i don't of the C12. Not many has :D ;)
:D It's funny, cause I went to that page knowing there were three versions listed there (Been there several times getting info on my PE Tuffram Civilian).

I started comparing it to see which version I had. I wasn't quite sure what to think when it didn't match ANY of them! :eek:

At first I thought it was the first one, but... it clearly states "no Boye dent." Ok, I know it isn't the grey one, so it had to be the last. Then I checked the steel. That's when I got confused! :D

It's cool finding a new variation! I've managed to do this once before (find a variation) with the 2003 finger groove Rescues.
http://www.spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39377
Fairlane wrote:Oh, and Spydiewiki article will of course be updated accordingly :)
I have to kind of wonder where it fits, chronologically speaking. Between the first and the grey, or between the grey and the VG-10?
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And now, I have both the SE & PE versions of the brown variant on the way. That means 6(?) variations total, right?
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bohica1998 wrote:And now, I have both the SE & PE versions of the brown variant on the way. That means 6(?) variations total, right?
Well bohica...if you have the one with the compresion lock...we are both in trouble...:eek :D oc :D
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I can't keep all the lock types straight. Which is the compression lock? But no, I don't think I have that one.

I only have this one and the two incoming brown ones. That means I still need to find all three of the ones listed in the Spydiewiki yet.
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bohica1998 wrote:I can't keep all the lock types straight. Which is the compression lock? But no, I don't think I have that one.

I only have this one and the two incoming brown ones. That means I still need to find all three of the ones listed in the Spydiewiki yet.
LOL ....Just teasing...they don't come with a compression lock...not yet :D Doc :D
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if these are anything like the Delicas, the ATS-55 came with and without boye dents, probably during the transition of changing the blade steel to VG-10 then when the VG-10 came around and they all had boye dents.
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Have to keep in mind that the Wiki is, and always will be, a work in progress. Unlike many older European companies that keep detailed records for centuries, Spyderco has been making minor improvements "on the fly" almost as long as they've been in business. Not to mention that, for some models, there are "Japanese market" and even semi custom versions of which Spyderco may have no specific knowledge.

Any Spydiewiki list has to be looked at as a list of known variants, but not as absolutely all inclusive. Everything listed there should exist, but not being listed there does not automatically mean a "transitional", or as Henning called it "generation and a half" version produced in very low quantities does not exist. When a new one is discovered and its existence verified, as with the Matriarch responsible for this thread, the knowledge base expands.
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Dr. Snubnose wrote:I have the exact same knife...must be a mistake on Wikiped...or we both have variations worth a small fortune ;) Doc :D
Nah Chuck Norris just tried to close it and accidentally put a dent in the lock bar. :D
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So, if I have things figured correctly, there are six "known" variations of the Matriarch? I think they go as follows:

C12SBK Black FRN SE ATS-55 - no Boye dent.

C12SGY Grey FRN SE ATS-55

C12SBK Black FRN SE ATS-55 - WITH Boye dent

C12SBK Black FRN SE VG-10

C12SBN Brown FRN SE VG-10

C12PBN Brown FRN PE VG-10 (The ONLY PE Matriarch)

Is this correct?
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Yes, it's correct. Now that the existence of a "dented" ATS-55 SE version has been confirmed and documented, the six versions you list represent all the variants of the Matriarch currently known to exist "in the wild".

I doubt any more will turn up, but of course that's been said before about other models and proved wrong. The only "wild cards" I can think of would be a Japanese market semi-custom, like the PE/G-10 Civilian, or an "accidental" variant, like the "Endurahawk" Spyderhawks.
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Dr. Snubnose wrote:I have the exact same knife...
Well, besides the two pf us, here's another forum member who seems to have this one! At least, it looks like this one from the pics in the post.

http://www.spyderco.com/forums/showpost ... stcount=26
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It makes sense that, if there was one, there was at least a batch, if not a full run. Question becomes, how big is an average batch on something like the Matriarch. My guess would be around 300, but that's just a guess.
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