Absolutely man. I am chiefly a welder but, I do a fair amount of machining myself. Like you said if I use a cobalt or carbide or whatever bit/drill it can take a lot more abuse than a HSS cutter. The harder tools hold a nice sharp cutting edge a lot longer than the softer tools but, like you said any dropping or shocking impact and that carbide cutter is in pieces.v8r wrote:Back in my Machinist days I found out that Tungsten Carbide lathe bits could be worked lots harder then HighSpeed steel lathe bits. The Tungsten could take off crazy amounts of material at a time, we are talking .250 or more off the diameter at high speeds, but the downfall to the stuff is if you drop that lathe bit the end would shatter.This is due to being super hard/ brittle. High speed steel on the other hand, you could drop and it would just ding it a little due to it not being nearly as hard
I hope this helps folks to understand that if It is super hard it will probably chip or break
I was not being flippant. My ring analogy was EXACTLY the same what you experienced with your blade damage. If you choose to take it as me causing trouble, that's your prerogative.marcus1 wrote: What is the point of making these statements. You could have simply stuck with "exhibited a known characteristic". Which, until now was relatively unknown to me... And it IS UNreasonable for anyone to criticize the way I have been in this thread. Be constructive, as most people here have been. To make flippant remarks helps no one!
Chuck, the incident I was referring happened about two to three years ago. I'm sure not going to tell you that your opinion isn't as valid as anyone elses, or you're not allowed to think differently from the "norm".I guess you're referring to me
Ok Joe, my apologies.The Mastiff wrote:Chuck, the incident I was referring happened about two to three years ago. I'm sure not going to tell you that your opinion isn't as valid as anyone elses, or you're not allowed to think differently from the "norm".
The incident was more of a hit and run complaint from somebody who wasn't part of our community, and didn't want to be. He was more here to put people and Spyderco down rather than make a valid point, as you were.
No offense meant to you Chuck, and I apologize for the misunderstanding.
Joe,The Mastiff wrote:
A few years back the "problem" with S30V was a prime example. A large percentage of folks were convinced that S30V was "chippy". Somehow defective. The most common diagnosis by "experts" was "poor heat treatment".
It wasn't any more chippy than any other high vanadium stainless. When the knives did chip a lot of it had to do with how they were ground, and to what grit.
Despite that the "common knowledge" of the time had it being heat treat problems because it was difficult to treat just right.
Crucible tested knives. Information was given to industry users that needed it. Fixes made, and the problem, such as it was virtually disappeared.
To this day rarely a week goes by on certain forums still repeating as facts the problem with S30V steel chipping.
Regards, Joe L.
You need to contact Spyderco support about this. They will want to know how the knife was being used when it broke, among other things.Kicking_yourself wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:03 pmSo this happened. The blade snapped completely in two. https://twitter.com/kicking_urself/stat ... 19618?s=21
Kicking_yourself wrote: ↑Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:03 pmSo this happened. The blade snapped completely in two. https://twitter.com/kicking_urself/stat ... 19618?s=21
sal wrote:Knife afi's are pretty far out, steel junky's more so, but "edge junky's" are just nuts.
SpyderEdgeForever wrote: Also, do you think a kangaroo would eat a bowl of spagetti with sauce if someone offered it to them?
It is that brittle. I chipped mine good once just by using too much pressure when I was reprofiling the edge on an india stone to grind out an earlier chip.marcus1 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:55 pmI know I read somewhere on here that for hardness you sacrifice a bit as the steel can be more brittle, but wow, didn't think it would be that noticeable in my Spyderco ZDP Endura
I dropped my knife and it hit another metal tool, and the tip lost a nice chunk (The tip was still there, it was the edge that had a chunk out of it... sorry didn't think to take a picture before I fixed it).
I've dropped my G-2 Endura many many times over the 12+ years I've had it and all it has is a bit of a bent tip
So either this was just one really unlucky drop, or ZDP is really brittle (IMO).
Good thing I have the diamond stones for my SM... got it back in shape in no time (and perhaps a tear or two later )