Cpm vg-10
I'm only kinda into those details. But I think CPM is about getting (to make it simple) very even distribution of the ingredients of that steel formula. Seems like VG-10 isn't so prone to issues with that like say D2. So not just the competitor issue but the cost vs gain I don't think would be there.
CPM stands for "Crucible Powdered Metallurgy," the process by which Crucible produces their powdered steels.
I think I remember Mr. Ed Schempp saying at the Shot Show (Nutnfancy's coverage) that VG-10 is a powdered steel. So my guess is that VG-10 is already something like CPM, except not the "Crucible-branded" process.
If any of that is wrong, please correct me. I'm not an expert.
I think I remember Mr. Ed Schempp saying at the Shot Show (Nutnfancy's coverage) that VG-10 is a powdered steel. So my guess is that VG-10 is already something like CPM, except not the "Crucible-branded" process.
If any of that is wrong, please correct me. I'm not an expert.
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VG-10 is made by Takefu Special Steel Company Ltd, in Takefu Japan.
They also make VG-1 (Cold Steel's preferred stainless).
That being said, I guess Crucible could make their own VG-10. I doubt they could name it the same, but it depends if they could offer a better price.
Generally, I assume its cheaper to buy Japanese steel, despite the price of shipping the knives back here.
They also make VG-1 (Cold Steel's preferred stainless).
That being said, I guess Crucible could make their own VG-10. I doubt they could name it the same, but it depends if they could offer a better price.
Generally, I assume its cheaper to buy Japanese steel, despite the price of shipping the knives back here.
Isn't that pretty much 154CM? From everywhere I hear, they say that VG-10 is a Japanese, slightly more stainless 154CM.HotSoup wrote:That being said, I guess Crucible could make their own VG-10. I doubt they could name it the same, but it depends if they could offer a better price.
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"Isn't that pretty much 154CM? From everywhere I hear, they say that VG-10 is a Japanese, slightly more stainless 154CM"
154CM is the US version of ATS-34 as I recall.
So, if VG10 is the powdered version of ATS-34, CPM154 might be its match.
But I would not bet on it.
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I wondered how long it would take. There is no purpose.
Aside from the Japan/US mixture.
154CM is the US version of ATS-34 as I recall.
So, if VG10 is the powdered version of ATS-34, CPM154 might be its match.
But I would not bet on it.
"Am I the only one not getting the purpose of the mall ninja photo that was posted in this thread? "
I wondered how long it would take. There is no purpose.
Aside from the Japan/US mixture.
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More S90v & CF please.......
More S90v & CF please.......
My assumption was the person who posted that was saying that CPM is a fashionable thing in the knife world right now. so the two (VG10 & CPM) must be combined whether it is applicable or not.mikerestivo wrote:Am I the only one not getting the purpose of the mall ninja photo that was posted in this thread?
How did I do? You should hear me at an Art Gallery or snobbish wine tasting. As long as you used big word everyone agrees with you and thinks you are a genius :)
VG-10 is an ingot steel, not a powdered steel.
It's got a very refined grain structure and with the addition of Cobalt, even more so.
I'm not sure there would be much benefit to making a powdered version because the alloying elements are not extraordinarily high in content. The good performance is the result of the "right mix".
N690Co would be the closest to VG-10 in chemistry and performance.
sal
It's got a very refined grain structure and with the addition of Cobalt, even more so.
I'm not sure there would be much benefit to making a powdered version because the alloying elements are not extraordinarily high in content. The good performance is the result of the "right mix".
N690Co would be the closest to VG-10 in chemistry and performance.
sal
Agree, thanks Sal.
Everyone loves VG10 as a do-all steel.
But we seldom hear much about its make up.
I assumed actual data was not released, like other steels.
Secret ingredients....... etc......
How hard does Spyderco take VG-10? 57-58?
From manufacturer's website:
VG-10 is a unique formulation of steel with a high carbon content. It contains various amounts of one or more of the following: Chromium, Vanadium, Molybdenum and Cobalt. High-quality kitchen cutlery, such as chef's knives, is usually made of VG-10. VG-10 is considered a "super steel," because it is designed to maintain sharpness and durability without becoming brittle, a major fault normally associated with exceptionally hard steel. This quality is ideal when extreme sharpness is desired, as most other steels will not take or keep an edge like VG-10. When this type of steel is used in a knife, it is normally encased in layers of steel providing greater corrosion-resistance, leaving only the "super steel" exposed at the edge for fine cutting.
VG-10 chemical makeup:
Carbon:1.0% Chromium:15.0% Molybdenum:1.0% V:0.2% Cobalt:1.5%
VG-10 should not be confused with VG-1 stainless steel.
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Costume?
Everyone loves VG10 as a do-all steel.
But we seldom hear much about its make up.
I assumed actual data was not released, like other steels.
Secret ingredients....... etc......
How hard does Spyderco take VG-10? 57-58?
From manufacturer's website:
VG-10 is a unique formulation of steel with a high carbon content. It contains various amounts of one or more of the following: Chromium, Vanadium, Molybdenum and Cobalt. High-quality kitchen cutlery, such as chef's knives, is usually made of VG-10. VG-10 is considered a "super steel," because it is designed to maintain sharpness and durability without becoming brittle, a major fault normally associated with exceptionally hard steel. This quality is ideal when extreme sharpness is desired, as most other steels will not take or keep an edge like VG-10. When this type of steel is used in a knife, it is normally encased in layers of steel providing greater corrosion-resistance, leaving only the "super steel" exposed at the edge for fine cutting.
VG-10 chemical makeup:
Carbon:1.0% Chromium:15.0% Molybdenum:1.0% V:0.2% Cobalt:1.5%
VG-10 should not be confused with VG-1 stainless steel.
"Mark, you look different with that Ninja costume on. "
Costume?
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More S90v & CF please.......
More S90v & CF please.......
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