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Postby SpyderNut » Sun Mar 17, 2002 11:31 pm

Whoa, fellas!<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

First off, you're right: there needs to be a "balance" to this whole concept of knife carrying technique. Obviously, 17 knives strapped onto a person's body in every conceiveable location is a huge over-kill. While I don't see a need to carry a "backup for my backup" so to speak, I do see a definate need for a few quality blades to carry for different or unique experiences. For example, most of your traditional knives like Case or Schrade feature models such as the "Stockman" or "Muskrat" which feature 3 blades in one. First, the "Clip" blade then a "Sheeps foot" and finally, the "Spey" blade. Grand total: 3 blades!!
Yes, that is ONE knife vs. THREE different knives. But, would you want to spread your jam with a bayonet and cut your steak with a butter knife?! Get real here folks! Spyderco designs and markets these knives for specific needs, and while some are more useful than others on a day-to-day basis, some knives might be found useful to some people in THEIR daily operations. (i.e. I don't work around the fishing industry, but a Harpy would be useful for cutting rope/twine on a farm that I used to work for.)

In conclusion, I think that if a person has a need to carry 3 or 6 knives, than he or she has that right to do so. I recently heard of a police officer that stated that local officers now carry THREE Glocks: one for initial work, one for back-up, and one for emergency back-up. So, is this guy nuts for having 3 guns?! I think not. His business requires it!

Just take a minute and think about this, guys. It could change your attitude about this whole "knife carrying concept".


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Postby Impyboy » Mon Mar 18, 2002 4:34 am

ok, carrying 3 different knives is understandable. one for a different purpose.
now 3 glocks??? you can't tell me they have different purpose too? ok, backup- yes. emergency backup? i doubt there is much use of the backup, let alone emergency backup.
But nevertheless, the knives are still a different senario. If you're getting to that stage that you need so many 'backup' knives, you'd be better off carrying a kinfe, and a gun and/or pepperspray.
But that's just my opinion, (keeping in mind i've never lived in the States) <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>

but anyway, back to the original topic... I think we strayed off the topic a bit.

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Postby comrade » Mon Mar 18, 2002 4:00 pm

Right front: car keys, house keys, Photon-II red microlight, plain-edged Lum Chinese Folder

Left front: change, Cross Ion pen, Dunlop Big Stubby guitar pick, plain-edged Almite Navigator

Right rear: nothing

Left rear: wallet (cash, cards, ID)

On belt: mobile phone

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Postby bell » Mon Mar 18, 2002 6:15 pm

Average stuff in my pockets:
Watchpocket - Meerkat
r/r - Wallet
l/f - three casino chips to mark pool balls owed in weekly one-pocket pool games.

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Postby Blades » Mon Mar 18, 2002 8:42 pm

You need a right hand/left hand knife, right? Thats 2. You need a small sheeple friendly knife. 3. You need one knife thats only for emergency, extremly sharp. 4. Maybe a few to show the different types of locks. Thats 6. See how quickly they add up. <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>


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Postby Impyboy » Mon Mar 18, 2002 9:39 pm

Blades,

Unless you're a travelling knife salesman/exhibitor, I still see no need for carrying so many knives and I don't see how they can add up so quickly.

A knife for both left and right hands? Are we all ambidexturous? and/or do we need to use two knives at the same time? ok, that's 2 knives if you really want to put it that way.

Showing different lock types...can be included in your left and right knives. that's still 2.
extremely sharp emergency knife..aren't all your knives sharp anyway? still 2. but if you really need an extremely sharp knife.. that's 3...
..and you can still show the different lock on the emergency blade...as well as how sharp it is..
we still have 3 blades here!

we're talking efficiency here, and not making up excuses to carry an excessive amount of knives.

but of course, if you wanna be a show-off, then that's your choice.

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Postby Mr Blonde » Tue Mar 19, 2002 4:16 am

Li'l Temperance, leaf blade, PE
Chinese Folder, green handle, PE
Ladybug, blue, PS
Photon II (green) & LM Micra
Cell phone (Nokia 3210)

It's all I needed so far and more, but perhaps I need something else, more serrated..mmmm...

Wouter

"I wear a wristwatch whether or not I have an appointment to keep, and I carry a pen and/or pencil because I am a literate person whether or not I have a specific writing task ahead of me, and I carry a knife because I am a human and not an ape." - James Mattis

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Postby Gallaghe » Tue Mar 19, 2002 6:37 am

L/F cargo; cigs and lighter
LF; <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>Massad Ayoob PE
LR; Wallet
R/F cargo <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> Calyspo SS/PE
RF <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> Police SS/PE
Left-IWB Glock 30 Right-IWB Extra Mag
or
Right-IWB Para-Ordnance 7.45 W/Crimson Trace laser Left-IWB Extra Mag
Dejammer with car/house keys and handcuff keys
IWB middle of back; S/W Handcuffs
ASP light on belt loop

Vest items:
Left-Front; SureFire 6P
Right-Front; <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> Calyspo JR SS/PE
Inside left-Front; Kershaw Onion
Inside Right-Front; Pen, paper
Outside Left-Front; Car Alarm remote
Outside Right-Front; Cell phone

Winter coat:
Left Front; BenchMade Model 42 Balisong
Right Front; Glock Model 26

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Postby Gallaghe » Tue Mar 19, 2002 6:50 am

Ooops, forgot my other Calypso JR and Cold Steel Spike.

To defend why I carry so many knifes, for tactical purposes. You never know when and where an attack will come. I have been in situations were it was impossible to go for my primary knife, instead had to go for a backup. Although it has not happen yet I carry my Cold Steel Spike down my back in the event I need to grab it when confronted in a stickup situation were grabbing a gun is not the order of the day i.e. up close and personal in a crowded area. Having a knife hanging down your back and the perp ask for your wallet, they will be in for a surprise if you do it right. I don't recommend that you try this without proper training, else you may end up six feet under. I continually train with professionals on handgun disarming several times a year.

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Postby revolvergeek » Tue Mar 19, 2002 8:58 am

Gallaghe,

Be careful carrying those cuffs in the small of your back. I have known a couple of cops/deputies around here that got knocked down or fell and landed on a cuff case in that position on their duty belt and suffered moderate lower back injury.


Lets see.. My pockets:

RF: BM Mini-Griptillian clipped
Jester with white photon II
House keys with red photon I and yellow glowring

RR: Pocket notepad
SS Serrated Harpy in pocket as money clip

LF: C48 Tim Wegner clipped
House keys with d-jammer, green photon II, victorinox midnight manager II

LR: Victorinox Yeoman
Wallet and checkbook

4 o'clock IWB: Spyderco Military PE


Kind of a light day for me today <G>

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Postby revolvergeek » Tue Mar 19, 2002 9:08 am

Impyboy,

I am curious why you find the carry of multiple knives so hard to justify. This sort of behavior is common among all of the collector subcultures that I am a part off (all tactical/sd issues aside).

People that I know through various fountain pen collection forums might carry as many as 5 or 6 pens on them, and up to another dozen or so on their desk or in their bag (and we are talking good quality vintage or modern fountain pens, not cheap office max/depot crap). Some of the confessed 'flashaholics' on the candlepower forums that I have talked to might carry 5 or 6 flashlights with them on a given day in their pockets or bags.

The knives, pens, and flashlights are functional tools that bring joy and satisfaction from their use and through the appreciation of their designs and manufacture. With any of these items, their use in public may invite questions that provide an opportunity to bring more people into the collecting fold. I have made dozens of ftn pen and 'tactical' folder converts around the office and among my friends by always having a few on hand and allowing people to try them out.

Edited by - revolvergeek on 3/19/2002 3:09:59 PM

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Postby chambers » Tue Mar 19, 2002 3:38 pm

RF- lighter, CRKT KISS knife as a money clip, Swiss Army Delux tinker
LF- keys
RR- wallet and comb
LR- empty,

On duty I add the Emmerson Commander to my Right front pocket and the Timberline Warden to my Left front.
Off duty I carry the Chinook in my Right Front pocket because I usually wear a waist lenght leather jacket and it's harder to draw the commander with that coat on. If I'm going out off duty:ie bar/club etc I usually toss in a fixed blade as well.

Now then Yes I admit I carry multiple blades but when I'm on duty I like the commander for it's speed into action and it's heavy duty aspect, I use it for **** near everything cause I know it's not gonna fail me when I need it. The reason I carry a large folder on my off hand (left side) is to counter a gun grab. I am an armed officer and In my book if someone goes for my gun I want them to have my knife too.
and just because no one else has pointed it out yet two large blades isn't unusual if you consider that no many people aren't ambidextrious but there are many martial arts forms that stress double weapons like escrima or kali. If you train with two, carry two.

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Postby Impyboy » Tue Mar 19, 2002 5:19 pm

Hi Revolvergeek,

I can see from the response in this thread that there are many people who do carry multiple knives amongst other things. I guess that living in a different country we have different views on different things. Obviously you have your reasons for doing so. I can also see that many also carry guns for obvious reasons.
I guess living in Aust where carrying guns and knives is illegal, I would not understand the same logic as you do in the states, only coz i've never been there.
Everything I've said has only been in my opinion. I personally don't see any need to carry more than 2 of anything at any one time, whether it be knives, guns, torches, pens, or anything. I, myself have a big knife collection, and other 'illegal' weapons... and they all stay at home except for what I feel necessary to carry for self defense. I do carry 2 knives (ladybug and endura)which are legal to carry. I also carry pepper spray and an expandable baton, which are illegal to have in possession let alone carry, but I find necessary for my own protection coz I know that by the time the cops arrive, I could already be a dead man. But in anycase, point is, I don't carry just one form of protection or just one type of tool!
backup tool, yes!
2nd backup? maybe
3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th.....backup? dont' see the need.
that's how I feel anyway.

I have been in dangerous situations before. I've saved my mates life by breaking a guys arm and knocking another guy out with my baton. I've also saved my own life by using pepper on a group of drunken guys the size of football players. only time I use my knife is to cut things, not people.

I know that different knives are made for different purposes, but IMO, when you carry a heap of Spydies, many with the same blade type of metal and cutting edge, It makes no difference which one you use. Am i correct?

don't get me wrong. i'm NOT saying it's wrong to carry ten million knives. i just don't feel it's necessary. that's all.

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Postby revolvergeek » Tue Mar 19, 2002 6:58 pm

Impyboy,

I feel for you down there. Very relaxed laws here in Louisiana about owning and carrying pistols. Just bought 2 new ones this past weekend!! :-D We just became a shall-issue state about 3 years ago, so now more and more people are able to get concealed carry permits and carry legally.

No restrictions on knives here(other than no switchblades, but if you don't make a fuss nobody really worries about that either).
Batons and OC spray are great. I have a 16 inch ASP in the center console of my truck. I would much rather whack somebody with it than shoot or cut them.

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Postby Impyboy » Tue Mar 19, 2002 7:15 pm

Thanks Revolvergeek,

yeah, the law really suxs here! The law in the other states in Aust are more relaxed than in Sydney. I often travel to to the other states/countries just to add to my weapon collection. hehehe! My next item on the list would be a Stungun! so it looks like my next holiday destination would be either japan, or the States!

But I do envy you people out there who own Pistols! I do have a several airsoft guns (also illegal here), and I must admit, the Glock is definitely my favorite! What I would do to get a real one! My girlfriend just rolls her eyes everytime I gawk at the police when they walk by with the glocks in the holster! oneday, i will have my very own! one day!....

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Postby Impyboy » Tue Mar 19, 2002 7:15 pm

Thanks Revolvergeek,

yeah, the law really suxs here! The law in the other states in Aust are more relaxed than in Sydney. I often travel to to the other states/countries just to add to my weapon collection. hehehe! My next item on the list would be a Stungun! so it looks like my next holiday destination would be either japan, or the States!

But I do envy you people out there who own Pistols! I do have a several airsoft guns (also illegal here), and I must admit, the Glock is definitely my favorite! What I would do to get a real one! My girlfriend just rolls her eyes everytime I gawk at the police when they walk by with the glocks in the holster! oneday, i will have my very own! one day!....

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Postby Blades » Tue Mar 19, 2002 9:09 pm

Impyboy,
I blame Eric Remmen. <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> I read an article in "Full Contact"(or "Fighting Knives&quot<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> about the course he taught concerning dual carry of Delica's or LPD's(Life Preservation Device, as he called them). It's been a long time since I read that article, but I've carried at least 2 Spyderco's since then.
But your right Impyboy, 3 would be plenty. <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> So would 1 pair of shoes, or 1 ring for each hand. But where is the fun in that?? <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>


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Edited by - Blades on 3/20/2002 5:29:17 PM

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Postby Impyboy » Tue Mar 19, 2002 9:35 pm

Hahaha.. sorry, I just had an image of someone wearing more than one pair of shoes when they go out! now, that would be fun!


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