Response is as how you train

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BRAM
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Response is as how you train

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Post by BRAM »

Mike has some great advice and training tidbits on these forums..

The MBC forum and readership is extremely lucky to have his input on use, training and the way of the blade....

Read and practice what he says..

don't read it and say "oh I can do that If need be.."

Especialy since one can go train with Mike @ the MBC Academy and get Mike right in your own living rooms "live on Tape"..( or is it Memorex?)( shameless plug about Mike's tapes!!!)



After a bit of teaching, I thought I might add something to the mix:

As you train you will do...period.

If you don't train as you want to respond, you cannot nor will not be able to change up within the flow of actual usage..

For example: blade orientation. If you practice cutting out, i.e. the act of doing a Roof or Umbrella response and you practice

by cutting through your block, a perfectly acceptable situation with an impact tool like a stick, you will do so with a blade.

Result? You cut yourself...

Never happen?

I saw a knife guy demonstrate his skill and cut himself severely..His response? "Oh its a different knife than I'm used to.."

I told him he was putting himself between the knife and the opponent so there was no choice but to cut himself..

to which he responded by showing me the motion and saying he trains with sticks..

He then cut himself again..



Whats the point of this?

How does this relate to proper training?



Conceptual motions can be the same...but USAGE is very very different. An Impact tool is not an edged tool.

One can block, grab or check an impact tool with little regard to the tools resulting effect.

Not so with a blade.

If you are lucky and train in Filipno arts, do not assume that your stick work allows you to readily and easily change over to edged response.

If you train to put flesh to tool., you regularly grab the opponent's stick in practice to control or lock the opponent..

if you train to check the stick, redirect the stick...

you will do so with an edged tool.

And in so doing lose your fingers, your hands or your life.



If when you train as our fellow I pointed out in the opening of this thread, that contact between your own tool and your own flesh doesn't send shivers up your spine..if the contact doesn't make you change how you deal with the tool or stick, then you're in big trouble with the use of an edged tool..



So when you practice, if you feel the training knife ot stick run over your own body..don't ignore it..

change, modify or resolve how you do your actions so that it does not happen again..And when you have the solution PRACTICE that way..

over and over again so that in real time, under stress..you do not harm yourself while you try to defend yourself..



And if for example you do not practice Defanging the snake, as Mike points out, you don't practice his type of double tap, because you know or think you can just do it differently in the flow of usage..

You're in for a big suprise..

Heres your chance to to change how you think of edged tool usage, how you train with edged tool usage..

and you can access Mike @ just about any time to check on your training...



You are responsible for your own safety..

You are responsible for the proper usage of the tool you carry..

You are responsible to seek out good training advice and to practice properly..



have a happy, safe, new year!!



bram
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Post by Dijos »

I remember reading an article about FBI agentswho were killed in a bank robbery or something in the 80's that detailed the fact that in their off hand they were holding brass. This is because they were trained at the rangeto save their brass and put it in a can, for reloads later. These agents were subconciously looking for the can..also, Bram, do you do seminars in Clearwater? My parents live in Sarasota, and I get down there from new orleans 2-3 times a year due to my mother's illness. anyway, it's more likely that I'll get there before i get to colorado for MBC... thanks
hy
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Post by hy »

Bram, what is your take on people who train with both sticks/impact tools and knives/edged tools? Would it be difficult to adjust your techniques to situations where you're carrying either a knife or a stick?
BRAM
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Post by BRAM »

yes..as we train we do..there are many instances of people doing as they trained without thinking they would actual do the small extra things they did during that training..while under stress of a real situation..
collecting brass is a good example...
Once there, there is no going back...

Yes..one can train in various types of tools..one can understand the motion or usage of those tools..
BUT if your life depends on those skills, then I would make sure that the majority of that training did not contradict itself..
If you use steel..do bladework., then I'd make sure that the priorities of using steel, the concerns and safety of steel take precedence over the other safety rules of tool usage...
Whats safe with empty hand or impact tools may not be safe with a blade.....so I'd ingrain on the side of safety..I'd practice Blade safety rules, even if it cuts out favorite things I might do with empty hand or impact..
actual thats exactly what I have done in my personal trainig and teaching...
In stressful situations less is more anyways..
keep it simple and gross..
ROFL..at least IMHO...

yes.. I teach in Clearwater..
I stil teach private and semi private lessons..
I haven't scheduled any seminars for 2002 here, Clearwater yet as I straighten out my agency teaching schedule...
You can email me @ arnisman@aol.com

bram
hy
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Post by hy »

Thnks for the info Bram...<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>

Edited by - hy on 1/5/2002 9:11:09 AM
earthworm
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Post by earthworm »

BRAM:A-Man!
sal et al @ Spyderco<img src="tongue.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>rofuse thanks for this site & forum.I've picked-up yea-much info here.
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