Delica 4wave Perfect Selfdefence Knife

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Delica 4wave Perfect Selfdefence Knife

Postby MANIXWORLD » Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:19 am

I find that the D4W,has to be quite the perfect midsize knife for a selfdefence situation.
First off,the knife's ergo's are superb and the size makes the knife easily consealable.
The wave deployment makes it superfast to open the knife.Im sure the thinner bladeprofile can also increase penetration power.
Now the serrated version of the D4W would add just that more bitepower and slashpower to the D4W as a perfect knife for a selfdefence situation.
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Postby dd61999 » Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:43 am

nothing against the wave, I think its a great feature.

However since I train mostly in grappling, I find it sometimes hard to deploy when on the ground or against the wall. So I prefer to train with the standard spydie hole delica.

as a matter of fact since I travel alot and to cities such as Boston with severe restrictions to blade length I normally carry the dragonfly.

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Postby aj1985 » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:06 pm

dd61999 wrote:nothing against the wave, I think its a great feature.

However since I train mostly in grappling, I find it sometimes hard to deploy when on the ground or against the wall. So I prefer to train with the standard spydie hole delica.

as a matter of fact since I travel alot and to cities such as Boston with severe restrictions to blade length I normally carry the dragonfly.
Why would you be deploying the knife on the ground for a SD situation. If you have a knife and want to use it for SD shouldn't it be done when your on both feet.

Plus a knife for grappling if you really need one should be a fixed blade imo.
I always thought having a knife for SD meant that you keep the fight on the feet. I'm just a newb within Martial arts, but was just curious to ask.

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Postby dd61999 » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:42 pm

aj1985 wrote:Why would you be deploying the knife on the ground for a SD situation. If you have a knife and want to use it for SD shouldn't it be done when your on both feet.

Plus a knife for grappling if you really need one should be a fixed blade imo.
I always thought having a knife for SD meant that you keep the fight on the feet. I'm just a newb within Martial arts, but was just curious to ask.

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I train to react to a situation before deploying a knife because in some situations by the time you reach and deploy the knife it is to late. Since my first reaction would almost always land up in a take down. I will already be on the ground by the time I reach for my knife.

The knife is a great tool to cut your way out of various dangerous holds you might not be able to get out of during grappling on the ground, such as a triangle choke hold.

I find the wave is also difficult to deploy when sitting in a car or being pushed up against the wall. So I rather train being accustomed to using the spydie hole.

Fixed Blades are not an option for me, I travel alot for work and the places I frequent, they are not legal to carry.

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Postby cdf » Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:25 pm

I found the wave a tad too efficient , if you dont think bout what you are doing it comes out of the pocket open . Bad juju for most edc situations . I think the Endura wave might be better for you , length makes it more usefull as an impach device . Deffinately practice opening from a ground position , in a surprise encounter you stand a good chance of being knocked on your *** !The main use found for the wave , is picking billy cans off a camp fire .

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Postby LeeCQC » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:51 pm

I agree that the waved knives are not always that practical. During force-on-force drills, me and my training partners have discovered that opening a waved knife is tricky, and nearly impossible on the ground. Also, sometimes it is better to use a knife as a close-range impact tool, rather than deploy the blade automatically. For me, it's the Lava. Small, non-obtrusive, and devastating. :spyder:
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Postby Michael Cook » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:56 pm

:spyder: I like waves, I train with them. I play around with kinetic openings and various one-handed openings but for serious social encounters I train for two handed gross motor openings. I'll go for dependability over speed any day. :spyder:
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Postby cdf » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:53 pm

Michael Cook wrote: :spyder: I like waves, I train with them. I play around with kinetic openings and various one-handed openings but for serious social encounters I train for two handed gross motor openings. I'll go for dependability over speed any day. :spyder:
Bingo ! What he said !!Lee , I would be all over the Lava , in G10 or peel ply CF , but no way in brushed stainless . Way to likely for a gross motor fumblefest

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Postby Puyallupknifegu » Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:39 pm

cdf wrote:Bingo ! What he said !!Lee , I would be all over the Lava , in G10 or peel ply CF , but no way in brushed stainless . Way to likely for a gross motor fumblefest

Chris


I too, am all over the Lava!! Love the little knife...would like to see it G10 or CF as well...what about CF over the top of the SS? I like the weight that the SS gives the little knife, especially for impact use. Also, I would love to see the lava with a wharncliffe blade...talk about SD ready!!!


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Postby LeeCQC » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:03 pm

Well, I find that it has a pretty secure grip, even in a simulated-stress situation, despite being stainless steel. And, as was mentioned, the materials give it good weight, which is needed for use as an impact weapon. If it were made with, say, FRN handles... it wouldnt be as effective, imo. But, as I always say... to each their own. :spyder:
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