attn. all boogy men... stay away!!!

[br44]

Remington 870 and some ky.

[Lsaulog]

BR44, ROFLMAO!! <img src="tongue.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>

A Remington 870 I could understand but, ky??

And here I THOUGHT we were all talking about self defense weapons! <img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>

I guess we're ALL a little too dangerous for our own good! I'm glad I'll never be dropping by YOUR house, BR44! <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>

"Hope for the best. Be prepared for the worst. You'll never be disappointed."

[patogordo]

Khaz they are not dangerous at all it took me like a year to find the beretta, and its really hard to find ammo 9mm its ilegal, and im being from guatemala makes it worst so the beretta stays in the house

[golem]

For me, I always have a Chinese 56 SKS bayonet (manually sharpened and serrated)ready under my matress and a police under my pillow. This 3-groove bayonet penetrates extremely well and can cause serious bleeding. And, believe me, the wound made by its parkerized blade are really hard to heal

[Kahz]

Patogordo,

I was kidding. <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle> So, I had no idea it was illegal there, then again, I know nothing about Berettas, so... <img src="tongue.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>

You are Guatemalan? Oh, nice! I have met only a few Guatemaltecos in my life. Well, unfortunately, I understand what you mean. Stay safe.

Kahz

Edited by - Kahz on 12/1/2001 3:28:42 PM

[kraziekurtis]

just a bit of info...you all do know that in the US if someone breaks into your house with the intent to steal and shows no intent of physical harm towards you it is illegal for you to shoot or stab that person...you could provoke them into a fight and then it would be legal for you to whip out a knife in defense but only if the burglar has the intent of physical harm to you can you attack them....at least that's how it is where I live


so if someone jumps in your house..provoke them to fight with verbal violence first..then when they attack...let the Spydies bite...

and obviously if they have a gun or a knife that means you don't need to "verbalize" them first because if they don't have the intent to harm you physically they wouldn't have brought the weapon....so no questions like "what if they point a gun at you?"


<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>



Edited by - kraziekurtis on 12/1/2001 8:30:01 PM

[zatoichi]

Good point Kraziekurtis,

the lesson here is -self-defense. Don't use your weapons unless your completely sure you're in danger. Or else, you could be the one to be held accountable. I guess it's not difficult to preceive if YOU ARE in danger, if someone breaks in to your house......why would they break into your home in the first place? to rob your home or assault you? That's what I would assume & I think that's a realistic assumption. Anyone care to comment....

[zatoichi]

I forgot to point out that IF the intruder is intent on stealing, then no, it is not ok to shoot him/ stab him/ attack him. I would think to hold him at bay because YOU are the one with weapon. If he has one also, then ok, you have the right to engage him in combat for the sole purpose of defending yourself. afterall, an intrusion in our homes is an intrusion in our lives & we should have the right to defend our property like we would do ourselves.

[Spin]

Since I have all my knives stored in my night stand drawer next to the bed, I have EVERYTHING if anyone tries breaking into my flat through the windows...if they want to risk a 22-story fall...

But my wife has stopped me placing any of my goodies on top of the night stands long ago to stop me stabbing her during my sleep-walkings...not very sure whether I could open drawers while asleep though...

Does that count as murder if you kill your wife while sleep-walking???

[kraziekurtis]

I remember reading about a court case where the husband used that as his defense but I can't remember if it worked for him....

[hy]

Provoking intruders verbally would be construed as provocation on your part...which means that you would be at fault as well if the intruder attacks you. Instead, try to use non lethal alternatives such as sticks or blunt weapons whenever possible.

Always remember that in law, preservation of life is paramount, especially when compared to the preservation of property (except in South Australia apparently....a homeowner who beheaded 2 robbers and injured 2 others with a samurai sword was not charged).

So if it is absolutely clear that someone has broken into your house just to steal, stabbing or shooting him or her to death could amount to murder or manslaughter. There have also been cases when thieves and robbers who have injured themselves while robbing houses have successfully sued the homeowners for obscene sums of money.

So please DO NOT be too trigger or stab happy....you could end up in jail or bankrupt yourself. In addition, never chase a robber past the boundary of your property as any attacks upon him in such a situation would be construed as assault.

Having said that, people in areas where such laws are strictly enforced should petition their local MP or congressman to change those laws. In today's lawsuit happy society, its sad that people aren't allowed to lawfully defend invasions of property.

Knives and guns give the owner a great deal of power, and like spiderman used to say 'with great power comes great responsibility'....<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>

Also, for those of you who leave knives in your living rooms or lying around, please remember that intruders can easily use them against you.....<img src="tongue.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>

"A lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns" - Don Vito Corleone









Edited by - hy on 12/2/2001 10:48:17 AM

[panguero]

XX

Edited by - sharp1 on 2/19/2002 11:40:01 PM

[hy]

Sharp1....i actually edited my post to include verbal assaults. Just one more thing.... If possible, try to install a security sytem or alarm. If you can't afford one, put a fake one up (especially one with a flashing lights) or buy a guard dog.....studies have found that these 2 measures drastically reduce the chance of break ins.....which means that you won't even have to worry about using force at all. Sorry for the long windedness....currently doing a masters paper on criminal justice and came across these interesting tidbits.....wouldn't like to see any fellow forumites going to jail....<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>

Edited by - hy on 12/2/2001 10:14:41 AM

[Aversin]

My bedside desk holds an Ontario Bagwell ****'s Belle bowie and a CS recon tanto, with a maglite and a PR-24 on the floor-- I stick with bedside items that don't have to be unfolded and are easy to hold onto. Oh, and a CS warhammer at the foot of the bed, in case of attack by armored cavalry...

[wiley sharp]

cay binita? well kahz, its texy-mex for what beauty...no offense taken, so no need to explain yourself.

[wiley sharp]

krazy, whats wrong? whats with the law speaches? don't you know that we are only play'n around here, and I hate to say this, but are you a sheeple or sompthin? man, you are too serious... lay off the law speeches!!

[Knife Knut]

"just a bit of info...you all do know that in the US if someone breaks into your house with the intent to steal and shows no intent of physical harm towards you it is illegal for you to shoot or stab that person"

Not here in South Carolina, where "Your house is your castle"

RKBA

Knife Knut on a shoestring budget.

[voxnaes]

I keep a wife at my right side. Wake her up before morning, and you won´t know what hit you! When she´s away from home I have one of my own (handmade)bowies 15" razor sharp and a 3 D cell Mag lite.
Vox.

[fredswartz]

Be careful of what you keep on the night stand. Remember Lorena Bobbit?

[CalypsoKid]

You need a fence and a dog. And good locks. If you have these items you are not likely to have someone break into your house. If someone is in your house, tell them to leave and they probably will. If you stab or shoot them, you will spend alot of time at the police station and maybe court. Not worth it. Plus, you are very likely to shoot or stab someone you know and love. Then you may go to jail. And ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

JMO,

~C

99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.

Edited by - CalypsoKid on 11/7/2002 8:02:05 AM