The purpose of the G-10 Police model

Discuss Spyderco's products and history.
User avatar
Episteme
Member
Posts: 333
Joined: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:05 pm
Location: Pennsylvania

The purpose of the G-10 Police model

Postby Episteme » Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:24 pm

I own a serrated G-10 Police model (full flat grind). It does not have the 'false-edge' toward the tip like the SS version has, but instead it gradually tapers at the spine. I would like to know what the official purpose of the G-10 Police was designed for? I ask this because it seems that this model's tip is almost as thin and delicate as my Civilian model, and I imagine that if the full flat grind Police were to be used as a general utility knife, the tip would be in jeopardy of breaking off (rendering the knife almost useless). On the other hand, if the design of this knife were to be a thrusting tool for self-defense, than wouldn't this tip also be too fragile to hold up in an extreme tactical environment? (think military use).
I like my G-10 Police a lot, and I wear it on my pocket often...I only wonder about the 'fragile tip' and what purpose this design is best suited for.
Best,
Mike
"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the more often and steadily we reflect upon them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me." -Immanuel Kant

"I do not worry about what will happen; only what needs to be done". -Lucious Hunt, "The Village"

User avatar
bigkahunasix
Member
Posts: 450
Joined: Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:36 pm
Location: Dark side of the moon

Postby bigkahunasix » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:13 pm

Use it, abuse it, do not worry about it. My main EDC and 2nd favorite :spyder: are my G-10 Police flat grinds (PE and SE). The flat grind and distal taper give the tip more strength than the hollow ground versions.

The G-10s came both hollow and flat ground and I own both but the flatty gets all the work.

Bigk6
Been packing at least two Spyderco knives a day since 1984


[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

User avatar
The Deacon
Member
Posts: 25464
Joined: Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:33 am
Location: Upstate SC, USA
Contact:

Postby The Deacon » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:22 pm

Hmm, personally I would not consider the tip of the full flat ground Police any more delicate than the one on the "saber with swedge" style. As any other full flat ground blade, it would be best suited for slicing. It may also have been an attempt at a less menacing looking version of the Police. To many people, myself included, swedge ground knives appear to be designed as stabbing weapons rather than cutting tools.
Paul
My Personal Website ---- Beginners Guide to Spyderco Collecting ---- Spydiewiki
Deplorable :p
WTC # 1458 - 1504 - 1508 - Never Forget, Never Forgive!

User avatar
Episteme
Member
Posts: 333
Joined: Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:05 pm
Location: Pennsylvania

Postby Episteme » Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:33 pm

Thanks for the responses. My G-10 full-flat ground Police model is perhaps my favorite Spyder right now.
-Mike
"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the more often and steadily we reflect upon them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me." -Immanuel Kant

"I do not worry about what will happen; only what needs to be done". -Lucious Hunt, "The Village"

enduraguy
Member
Posts: 683
Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:38 pm

Postby enduraguy » Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:20 am

I SO envy you guys. SIGH.

Jeff/1911
Member
Posts: 1390
Joined: Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:33 am
Location: Western Canada

G10 Police models

Postby Jeff/1911 » Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:08 am

Darn...I used to have the newer version with liners and flat ground blade in both plain edge and serrated, and the older style, with no liners and the hollow ground blade in plain edge. Somehow, I managed to let all three "get away" from me. :rolleyes:

User avatar
Firefighter880
Member
Posts: 453
Joined: Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:22 am
Location: USA

Postby Firefighter880 » Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:06 pm

How bout some pictures of that G10 version???
[CENTER][SIGPIC][/SIGPIC][/CENTER]

[CENTER]"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear." [/CENTER]

Current Spyders: Civilian, Matriarch, Endura 3 CE, Endura 4 CE, Endura 4 SE, SS Endura 4 SE, Lava, Manix CE

Spyders of the Past: ATR, BlackHawk, Bob Lum Tanto, Chinook 3, Dodo, Gunting, Karambit, Lil Temp, Manix PE, Para Mili, Ronin, Yojimbo, Mili, Native

User avatar
Slatts
Member
Posts: 273
Joined: Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:21 pm

Postby Slatts » Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:13 pm

The Paradox of the G-10 Police Flat Grind. Everybody loves them or wants one and Spyderco doesn't make any more of them. I've shown mine to non-knife friends that were smitten by them. A re-introduction of the G-10 Police model, Sal?

User avatar
sal
Member
Posts: 14462
Joined: Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:00 pm
Location: Golden, Colorado USA

Postby sal » Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:12 am

Slatts wrote:The Paradox of the G-10 Police Flat Grind. Everybody loves them or wants one and Spyderco doesn't make any more of them. I've shown mine to non-knife friends that were smitten by them. A re-introduction of the G-10 Police model, Sal?
When we introduced the version, it was considered an "upgrade". The market didn't want any part of it no matter how we made it (full flat, saber, liners, no liners, etc).

We have a P2 designed. The maker didn't want to use the ball bearing lock so it will have a mid-back-lock. Once (if?) the design is refined a bit and the "real world" accepts it, we'll play with other locks.

sal

User avatar
dedguy
Member
Posts: 2250
Joined: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:33 am

Postby dedguy » Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:22 am

Oh man, a Police with a ball lock would have been nifty.

I think what a lot of people seem to miss is that certain models that are disco'd and very popular and htf are that way because there's not a huge number of them out there because of poor sales. Also it seems anything disco'd is immediately more desirable.
"Always keep an edge on your knife son, because a good sharp edge is a man's best hedge against the vague uncertainties of life."
dedguy.net

flyguy
Member
Posts: 608
Joined: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:38 pm
Location: Colorado

Postby flyguy » Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:55 am

sal wrote:When we introduced the version, it was considered an "upgrade". The market didn't want any part of it no matter how we made it (full flat, saber, liners, no liners, etc).

We have a P2 designed. The maker didn't want to use the ball bearing lock so it will have a mid-back-lock. Once (if?) the design is refined a bit and the "real world" accepts it, we'll play with other locks.
See? I knew you had something worthy of the casual bombshell thread waiting to come out...

Are there any traditional Spyderco's that will have a ball lock? I'd love to have a ball-lock...

User avatar
sal
Member
Posts: 14462
Joined: Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:00 pm
Location: Golden, Colorado USA

Postby sal » Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:06 am

Hi Flyguy,

The ball lock with the cage (like the P'kal) is one we're developing for the Golden factory. We're currently considering which models would benefit from the lock change.

sal

User avatar
bigkahunasix
Member
Posts: 450
Joined: Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:36 pm
Location: Dark side of the moon

Postby bigkahunasix » Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:45 am

Hell Yeah!!!!!!!!! Happy dance, happy dance!!!!!!! :) :) :) :) :D :D

Sal, You have made a broke down old Geezer very, very happy at the meer
possibility of a revamped Police model.

Bigk6
Been packing at least two Spyderco knives a day since 1984


[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

User avatar
dedguy
Member
Posts: 2250
Joined: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:33 am

Postby dedguy » Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:34 am

Yay! I've been waiting on a new ball lock for awhile. The P'kal is unfortunatly not a knife I would normally use.
"Always keep an edge on your knife son, because a good sharp edge is a man's best hedge against the vague uncertainties of life."
dedguy.net

User avatar
Spyharpy
Member
Posts: 311
Joined: Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:19 am
Location: San Jose, CA

Postby Spyharpy » Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:07 pm

Firefighter880 wrote:How bout some pictures of that G10 version???
Here's a pic of the flat grind G-10s (one with POLICE engraved in the blade and the other clean) plus a carbon fiber version (hollow grind). I'll carry them every once in a while when I want a big blade. No serrated as I don't own any. :)

Image

enduraguy
Member
Posts: 683
Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:38 pm

Postby enduraguy » Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:36 am

Yea, wish I'd never sold mine. Sold it right before I left active duty with the Marines. Had no liners. Loved it.

JD Spydo
Member
Posts: 20742
Joined: Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:53 pm
Location: Blue Springs, Missouri

A difficult one to summize

Postby JD Spydo » Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:55 am

The lackluster interest in the G-10 Police at the time of it's tenure has been one of the most baffling mysteries to me as far as why it wasn't received well. I'm wondering if it wasn't more of a PRICE or Dealer's Choice type of issue :confused: ? Or maybe it was just another Spyder that was a victim of what I've referred to as the "Golden Era Of Spyders" ( 1998-2003) in which there were so many super classics on the line up that some of them just got unjustly passed by :(

But the G-10 Harpy apparently suffered the same fate. If I were to lose my G-10 Harpy I would truly suffer some serious depression :o . I use that little Hawkbill almost daily. It is truly my favorite of all the Harpys. And the G-10 Police is also another one that I would dearly love to see offered again.

But there were a bunch of Spyders that suffered at the box office but are now some of the most coveted. The American consumer is probably the most difficult animal to understand. What you think would be a "slam dunk" becomes a failure and what you think would be a novelty becomes the next box office smash. Spyderco isn't the only company that has witnessed that anomaly. "ONLY IN AMERICA" as Don King would say :rolleyes:
Long Live the SPYDEREDGE Spyderco Hawkbills RULE!!

User avatar
bh49
Member
Posts: 11464
Joined: Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:37 pm
Location: former Constitution state

Postby bh49 » Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:13 am

sal wrote:Hi Flyguy,

The ball lock with the cage (like the P'kal) is one we're developing for the Golden factory. We're currently considering which models would benefit from the lock change.

sal
Is any chance for Dodo?
Thanks,
Roman
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf"

My top choices Natives5, Calys, C83 Persian

dewingrm
Member
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:56 pm
Location: Southern Wisconsin

Postby dewingrm » Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:27 am

I would love to see the G10 Police and Harpy return to production. I had SS handled Police model for a few years but it just didn't work out for me. The SS handled Police was very slippery when using it with gloved hands. I live in Wisconsin and I'm wearing gloves about 6 months out of the year. Hopefully my new Military will work better while wearing gloves. I did like the Police model for IWB concealed carry. It was very easy to conceal and plenty of knife for any unpleasant encounter. I would definitely buy a G10 Police.

User avatar
The Deacon
Member
Posts: 25464
Joined: Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:33 am
Location: Upstate SC, USA
Contact:

Postby The Deacon » Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:46 am

I think, outside of the very small market the "affi" community accounts for, G-10 is viewed as just another plastic and most people equate plastic with cheap. Low cost is the major thing that makes plastic tolerable to them. Unlike FRN, G-10 does not make the knife less expensive. In fact, the relative price points of the FRN and G-10 Byrds does make one question how much difference is really justified. Exceptional good looks might be one reason to buy a more expensive knife even if it's plastic, but in the form Spyderco elects to use it, G-10 is unattractive to the point of being downright ugly. A marked savings in weight might be a reason to pay more for a knife, but compared to FRN, G-10 is as heavy, or heavier.
Paul
My Personal Website ---- Beginners Guide to Spyderco Collecting ---- Spydiewiki
Deplorable :p
WTC # 1458 - 1504 - 1508 - Never Forget, Never Forgive!


Return to “Spyderco General Discussion”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], bleasure, FourStringFiend, jacala, paladin, Paraguy, RustyIron, thebard42, z1r and 35 guests