losing interest?
losing interest?
I remember when the MBC forum was a lot fuller then this. Is everyone losing interest or what?
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Michael Janich
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Dear Ronin203:
I think we're in that weird time between the shock of 9-11 and the struggle to return to "normal" for the holidays. It seems everyone is a little "zoned out" these days.
We're still here, however, and ready to support the cause. How about getting the action going again with a thought-provoking question on the MBC topic of your choice???
Thanks for the mental kick in the butt.
Stay safe,
mike j
I think we're in that weird time between the shock of 9-11 and the struggle to return to "normal" for the holidays. It seems everyone is a little "zoned out" these days.
We're still here, however, and ready to support the cause. How about getting the action going again with a thought-provoking question on the MBC topic of your choice???
Thanks for the mental kick in the butt.
Stay safe,
mike j
Thanks for the tip Mr. Janich, I just haven,t been able to come up with that thought provoking question. I would like to know how 9-11 has affected everyone who carries a knife for utility and defense. Have you changed the type or size of the knife you carry. Are you worried about any new laws that might come out as opposed to knives. I was truly horrified and infuriated with the events of 9-11. I was especially angry with the news media when they initially reported that the hijackers were carrying boxcutters, and then immediately started reffering to them as small knives and never mentioned the boxcutters again. I still carry the same knives that I did before 9-11, but i'll be honest with you, sometimes I worry that poeple will feel differently now when I pull out my Chinook or Gunting to perform a utility task. I'll probably be more discreet about it even though I see nothing wrong with carrying a knife. What are your thoughts. I'd really like to know how everyone feels.
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Dear Ronin 203:
Thanks for your response and your continued support of the forum.
I still carry the same knives now that I did before 9-11. For defensive purposes, I carry a pair of MOD Tempests. For utility and as a backup, I carry a plain-edged Delica. Although I don't work in a PC environment (heck, I work for Paladin Press), some folks still get antsy around large, unusual-looking knives. As such, I mostly use my Delica for office chores. That also allows me to gum it up with tape and other stuff(temporarily, of course) without compromising my personal defense blades.
I guess the main change that I've made since 9-11 is to push the concept of personal defense and the responsible carry of weapons even more. Despite the media hype to the contrary, many Americans considered 9-11 an individual wake-up call reminding them that they, as individuals, were primarily responsible for their own personal safety. In most cases, attackers will strike when the police, air marshals, and other authorities are not present. Our opponents are not stupid. To disarm ourselves hoping that they would follow suit most definitely IS stupid.
Carry your knives proudly and responsibly and learn to use them well. At the same time, be courteous to those around you. Set an example that they will respect and may want to emulate.
Stay safe,
mike j
Thanks for your response and your continued support of the forum.
I still carry the same knives now that I did before 9-11. For defensive purposes, I carry a pair of MOD Tempests. For utility and as a backup, I carry a plain-edged Delica. Although I don't work in a PC environment (heck, I work for Paladin Press), some folks still get antsy around large, unusual-looking knives. As such, I mostly use my Delica for office chores. That also allows me to gum it up with tape and other stuff(temporarily, of course) without compromising my personal defense blades.
I guess the main change that I've made since 9-11 is to push the concept of personal defense and the responsible carry of weapons even more. Despite the media hype to the contrary, many Americans considered 9-11 an individual wake-up call reminding them that they, as individuals, were primarily responsible for their own personal safety. In most cases, attackers will strike when the police, air marshals, and other authorities are not present. Our opponents are not stupid. To disarm ourselves hoping that they would follow suit most definitely IS stupid.
Carry your knives proudly and responsibly and learn to use them well. At the same time, be courteous to those around you. Set an example that they will respect and may want to emulate.
Stay safe,
mike j
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:<hr height=1 noshade>I guess the main change that I've made since 9-11 is to push the concept of personal
defense and the responsible carry of weapons even more. Despite the media hype to the
contrary, many Americans considered 9-11 an individual wake-up call reminding them that
they, as individuals, were primarily responsible for their own personal safety. <hr height=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2>
Good point Mike. That's certainly the way the events of Sept 11 have affected me, even at this distance. For personal reasons I've chosen not to use my knife for self defence but I have started training with and carrying a cane. I still hope never to have to use it, but I felt I needed to do something to protect my family.
Clay
"The trouble is that you think you have time."
defense and the responsible carry of weapons even more. Despite the media hype to the
contrary, many Americans considered 9-11 an individual wake-up call reminding them that
they, as individuals, were primarily responsible for their own personal safety. <hr height=1 noshade></BLOCKQUOTE></font><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2>
Good point Mike. That's certainly the way the events of Sept 11 have affected me, even at this distance. For personal reasons I've chosen not to use my knife for self defence but I have started training with and carrying a cane. I still hope never to have to use it, but I felt I needed to do something to protect my family.
Clay
"The trouble is that you think you have time."
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I personally have stepped up what I carry. The only time I do not have knives on me is when it is illegal for me to do so. I also have turned some ebony kubotans on my neighbors lathe so that I have somehting that is legal everywhere. I have been carrying my military and spydercard. My ss dragonfly and cricket also get to come along depending on my mood.
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Dear Clay, Ken, and Marauder:
Thanks for your positive comments and support of a responsible, ethical approach to EDC of edged (and other) weapons.
Since 3-1/2 inches is the legal limit in Colorado, I can't follow the "bigger is better" trend, however, it has prompted me to do a lot more ballistic cutting practice and research into edge and point geometry. The idea is to determine which "better" is better when it comes to realistic cutting and thrusting. I'm pleased to say that as a general rule, Spyderco products offer some of the best edge geometry around.
As the poorly endowed man once said, "It's not how long it is, it's what you can do with it that counts."
Stay safe,
Thanks for your positive comments and support of a responsible, ethical approach to EDC of edged (and other) weapons.
Since 3-1/2 inches is the legal limit in Colorado, I can't follow the "bigger is better" trend, however, it has prompted me to do a lot more ballistic cutting practice and research into edge and point geometry. The idea is to determine which "better" is better when it comes to realistic cutting and thrusting. I'm pleased to say that as a general rule, Spyderco products offer some of the best edge geometry around.
As the poorly endowed man once said, "It's not how long it is, it's what you can do with it that counts."
Stay safe,
To KenN,
The reason I carry a small knife is: I called my local police department to verify the legal length here in San Diego & was told that 3" and no full serrations, but partial serrations are allowed & also that they have to be folders, no fixed blades under any circumstances unless your some sort of rescue type (paramedic, etc), law enforcement (I'm not), or military (I'm not that, either). #2 -My eldest brother is also my attorney (specializes in Criminal Law) & he said the same thing after speaking with a couple of DA friends' of his. My family is also "concerned" with my fascination with edged weapons, but know that I'm a smart & responsible individual. I've never had problems with law enforcement about my habit to carry knives. Once I was pulled over for driving to fast. The officere told me to get out of the car. He asked me what was on my belt. I said a BM 812FSBT. He said it looks illegal. I took it off my belt & handed it to him, closed of course. He told me it was a "military tactical blade" even though it was a folder. I said it was a gift & I was unaware of it's illegality. He gave it back, told me to go home & put it away, and gave me my citation. So, as you can see, I try to be as smart & responsible about carrying knives, as possible. I could've been arrested but wasn't because I clearly explained myself. I've checked & rechecked the legality of carrying a knife. Anyone want to comment on my situation? Feel free to do so....
The reason I carry a small knife is: I called my local police department to verify the legal length here in San Diego & was told that 3" and no full serrations, but partial serrations are allowed & also that they have to be folders, no fixed blades under any circumstances unless your some sort of rescue type (paramedic, etc), law enforcement (I'm not), or military (I'm not that, either). #2 -My eldest brother is also my attorney (specializes in Criminal Law) & he said the same thing after speaking with a couple of DA friends' of his. My family is also "concerned" with my fascination with edged weapons, but know that I'm a smart & responsible individual. I've never had problems with law enforcement about my habit to carry knives. Once I was pulled over for driving to fast. The officere told me to get out of the car. He asked me what was on my belt. I said a BM 812FSBT. He said it looks illegal. I took it off my belt & handed it to him, closed of course. He told me it was a "military tactical blade" even though it was a folder. I said it was a gift & I was unaware of it's illegality. He gave it back, told me to go home & put it away, and gave me my citation. So, as you can see, I try to be as smart & responsible about carrying knives, as possible. I could've been arrested but wasn't because I clearly explained myself. I've checked & rechecked the legality of carrying a knife. Anyone want to comment on my situation? Feel free to do so....
In Australia, you can carry a folder in most of the states as long as you have a plausible reason for carrying it. I'm in Sydney at the moment and i find that after 9/11, most people are less concerned when they see a knife as compared to before....i use a serrated native to sharpen pencils in my masters class and to cut up my lunch..... and i find that my classmates who are mostly lawyers, public prosecutors and corporate people are now more receptive to the idea of carrying a knife, even those in the 40-60 age group.
However, in the event of any emergency, I would always use a non-lethal alternative like martial arts or a stinger as long as it's not a life threatening situation. I'm nowhere near being a senior citizen so i can't carry a cane around around, but in some ways (especially reach), with proper training, it could be more effective than a knife. I've seen Clay's cane and i wouldn't want to be hit with that<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>
Back home in Malaysia, people don't bat an eye when they see someone carrying a parang (large fixed blade about a foot long) but get uncomfortable when someone whips out a 4 inch folder.....how strange is that?
Edited by - hy on 11/29/2001 12:51:20 AM
However, in the event of any emergency, I would always use a non-lethal alternative like martial arts or a stinger as long as it's not a life threatening situation. I'm nowhere near being a senior citizen so i can't carry a cane around around, but in some ways (especially reach), with proper training, it could be more effective than a knife. I've seen Clay's cane and i wouldn't want to be hit with that<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>
Back home in Malaysia, people don't bat an eye when they see someone carrying a parang (large fixed blade about a foot long) but get uncomfortable when someone whips out a 4 inch folder.....how strange is that?
Edited by - hy on 11/29/2001 12:51:20 AM
Hey Mike S,
What have you encountered as far as legality of blade length? And may I ask what you carry here in San Diego, CA? Just curious.... You can see above what I've been through....any comments or questions? I'm trying to stay within the legal limits....but my lawyer/older brother pesters me not to carry anything larger 'cause he really doesn't want to bail me out of jail....
What have you encountered as far as legality of blade length? And may I ask what you carry here in San Diego, CA? Just curious.... You can see above what I've been through....any comments or questions? I'm trying to stay within the legal limits....but my lawyer/older brother pesters me not to carry anything larger 'cause he really doesn't want to bail me out of jail....
Hi Zatoichi,
While I am sure they mean well, I'd be interested in knowing on what basis people are advising you that a large or serrated folder is illegal to carry in California. The state Penal Code has no restrictions on size of folders, except for automatic knives where only switchblades under 2" are legal. (Penal Code section 12020 see http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/p ... 12040.html)
While it is true that some cities have more restrictive ordinances limiting you to 3" (San Francisco for example) when I looked at the San Diego Municpal Code at http://clerkdoc.sannet.gov/Website/mc/mc.html I couldn't find any references to knives at all. Hope I'm not straying too far off topic.
Best regards,
Argyll
Qui non est hodie cras minus aptus erit -- Ovid (He who is not prepared today will be less so tomorrow)
While I am sure they mean well, I'd be interested in knowing on what basis people are advising you that a large or serrated folder is illegal to carry in California. The state Penal Code has no restrictions on size of folders, except for automatic knives where only switchblades under 2" are legal. (Penal Code section 12020 see http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/p ... 12040.html)
While it is true that some cities have more restrictive ordinances limiting you to 3" (San Francisco for example) when I looked at the San Diego Municpal Code at http://clerkdoc.sannet.gov/Website/mc/mc.html I couldn't find any references to knives at all. Hope I'm not straying too far off topic.
Best regards,
Argyll
Qui non est hodie cras minus aptus erit -- Ovid (He who is not prepared today will be less so tomorrow)
Argyll,
My lawyer/ brother is telling me he truth. I believe him. He is an accomplished attorney. He says don't do it (carry larger than 3"<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle> or someday I may be arrested for it. I'd rather listen to him than to find out the hard way...and I hope my tone wasn't hostile. I was just trying to be serious about this issue....thanx for your comments...
My lawyer/ brother is telling me he truth. I believe him. He is an accomplished attorney. He says don't do it (carry larger than 3"<img src="wink.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle> or someday I may be arrested for it. I'd rather listen to him than to find out the hard way...and I hope my tone wasn't hostile. I was just trying to be serious about this issue....thanx for your comments...
No offense taken, just interested in learning if I had overlooked some area of local law. By the way, my compliments to you on your handling of the encounter with the police officer. It is never wise to debate the law during an encounter with an LEO.
Best regards,
Argyll
Qui non est hodie cras minus aptus erit -- Ovid (He who is not prepared today will be less so tomorrow)
Best regards,
Argyll
Qui non est hodie cras minus aptus erit -- Ovid (He who is not prepared today will be less so tomorrow)