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This mule team concept is fantastic

Postby ChapmanPreferred » Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:47 pm

I am very interested, and wishing I still lived in CO.
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Postby TazKristi » Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:41 pm

dczippo wrote:I am very interested, and wishing I still lived in CO.
;) We're wishing that too! We miss you!! :D
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Count me in!

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Postby GarageBoy » Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:19 pm

Give me a price range and I'll go for it. Hell, I'll even use it as my kitchen knife, since

1. I don't have one
2. I'm never gonna use my fixed blades enough

And for those who don't like the shape..well regrind time =D

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Postby uhiforgot » Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:09 pm

GarageBoy wrote:Give me a price range and I'll go for it. Hell, I'll even use it as my kitchen knife, since

1. I don't have one
2. I'm never gonna use my fixed blades enough

And for those who don't like the shape..well regrind time =D
Easy there... remember that each one is gonna be a different steel and thus is gonna need a different care and feeding while regrinding.

That gives me an idea: Could each one of these mules come with a spec sheet for the steel? Er, basically something that includes...
-Rockwell hardness (brand new, that is)
-abrasion resistance
-composition
-heat treating data
-toughness
-Applications other than blade steel
-etc.

Along with getting new and exotic steels into the hands of more users, this could be an educational tool as well. The more people learn and know about steel, the more likely they are to understand and appreciate the little details that are put into every design. For example: Why choose Steel A instead of Steel B for this particular blade? or... Why is this particular design hollow ground in this steel, but flat-ground in another steel?

I've previously echoed whoever it was that said "If you make something idiot proof, someone will make a better idiot." I believe that the contrapositive is true as well; that being that if the ELU is more educated, you will be able to create more complex designs that will be much better received and appreciated.

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Postby smcfalls13 » Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:25 pm

uhiforgot wrote: That gives me an idea: Could each one of these mules come with a spec sheet for the steel? Er, basically something that includes...
-Rockwell hardness (brand new, that is)
-abrasion resistance
-composition
-heat treating data
-toughness
-Applications other than blade steel
-etc.
That's a pretty good idea. Don't know if Spyderco could give us all of that information(I have to assume at least some of it, like heat treating, would be somewhat proprietary), but as much of it as possible would be great.
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Postby DFD04 » Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:29 pm

I would be intrested! dczippo you are very missed.
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Postby Harry White » Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:59 pm

great point, uhiforgot. i second (ok, third, behind scott) the idea for as much information about the steels as possible to serve as further education about the fascination world of high-end steels.
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Postby GarageBoy » Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:15 pm

A "build" sheet would be cool

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Postby SeanH » Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:58 pm

Spec sheet! Good idea.

I'll fifth that. I'm sure I have a fifth of something around here somewhere... :p
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Postby sal » Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:58 pm

Taz sid she'd make up a spec sheet. Whatchawantonit?

Steel came in. 52100. We'll run a few pieces to check processes. Then we'll do a run.

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Postby Sleeping Robot » Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:26 pm

sal wrote:Taz sid she'd make up a spec sheet. Whatchawantonit?

Steel came in. 52100. We'll run a few pieces to check processes. Then we'll do a run.

sal
Great to hear the steel is in. Things are getting closer!

Re. the spec sheet, uhiforgot's list looks like a good starting point. (I've rearranged the order a bit and expanded some of the descriptions).

-Origin of the steel, initial intended application, current applications other than blade steel.
-Alloy composition
-Heat treating data
-Test Results:
-Rockwell hardness (brand new, that is)
-abrasion resistance
-toughness
-etc.

It would be nice to have the alloy, heat treat, and test results compared to a baseline steel, such as 440C, so we can see how much more or less carbon, chromium, vanadium, ... it has and what the results are in terms of the tested properties.

Just the thoughts of a knife newby...
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Postby sal » Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:43 pm

Hi Ron,

test results?

What tests are you thinking of?

Don't know if I will provide too much heat treat data. I can tell you how hard it measured.

By abrasion resistance, I am assuming you mean CATRA test?

Our Charpy test is not set up in the new location yet. We can probably chase down the accepted Charpy for 52100?

sal

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Postby Sleeping Robot » Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:31 pm

sal wrote:Hi Ron,

test results?

What tests are you thinking of?
Hi Sal,

Sorry, the indention didn't come out in my message.
I was thinking of the things mentioned after that line - the hardness, abrasion resistance, and toughness.
sal wrote:Don't know if I will provide too much heat treat data.
We will take what we can get. ]I can tell you how hard it measured.

By abrasion resistance, I am assuming you mean CATRA test?

Our Charpy test is not set up in the new location yet. We can probably chase down the accepted Charpy for 52100?
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Yes, I was thinking about the CATRA test, so we could compare it to the results we have seen posted for other steels.

While it would be most meaningful to have the data after the heat treatment and grind, that would mean the spec sheet couldn't be done until at least the first prototypes were made. Plus, it adds a few steps to what is supposed to be a minimal process.

I don't think any of us want to add an unreasonable load to your process, particularly on this first mule. So if the spec sheet can contain those results, great. Otherwise, some generally-accepted information on the composition and properties will do for me, and I'll wait to see what people post once they have the things in-hand.

Thanks,
Ron

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Postby EarthDog » Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:34 pm

sal wrote:...

Steel came in. 52100. We'll run a few pieces to check processes. Then we'll do a run.

sal
Oh, cool. :)
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Postby whitefeather » Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:47 pm

Ball Bearings anyone?

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Postby smcfalls13 » Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:50 pm

Awesome. :cool:
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Postby yablanowitz » Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:19 pm

A spec sheet would be cool, but it doesn't really matter that much to me. I don't care what the specs say, I want these blades to form my own opinions on the steels. I'll leave the why of it to the guys like Sal ;)
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Postby ducktaper » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:53 pm

[quote="yablanowitz"]A spec sheet would be cool, but it doesn't really matter that much to me. I don't care what the specs say, I want these blades to form my own opinions on the steels. I'll leave the why of it to the guys like Sal ]

That's how I feel, too.
But I had a crazy notion, one I mentioned elsewhere: it would be very interesting to acquire mule issues without knowing AT THAT TIME what steel composition it is; just a stamped code ID for later reference. This would allow the user to use the tool and make an assessment without any preconceived ideas (or expectations)-and provide much fodder here by users as to its' various qualities and comparo's to other mules. Then, after some time, a spec sheet could come out ID'ing alloy & such, and provide unbiased feed-back to Golden.
At any rate, I'm just excited about release 1.

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Postby smcfalls13 » Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:57 pm

[quote="ducktaper"]That's how I feel, too.
But I had a crazy notion, one I mentioned elsewhere: it would be very interesting to acquire mule issues without knowing AT THAT TIME what steel composition it is]

I like this idea too. I'm kinda torn now, can't decide which one I like better. :confused:
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