mrb, i called kenmax too and they told me that the 6P is more robust and i should only get the E2 if i'm a bodyguard or an undercover officer.....<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>...so i think i'll be going with the 6P. They were pretty honest too....told me not to get another spare P60 bulb just yet as the original bulbs have been known to last 5-6 years. So what do you guys think? DId i make the right choice and are there any other recommended models for general usage and EDC?
Edited by - hy on 10/2/2001 4:11:51 AM
perfect companion for your spydie!
The 6P as my first Surefire too. but as all surefire users kno there ill always be more surefires to follow I guarentee you'll love it!!!
As for Kenmax I did get a price a hile ago an an M4 and I thought they ere uite expensive!
But it sounds like there prices are alot better I ill definatly give them a call before my next order!
Are you both members of the Surefire Forums!!
Clint
As for Kenmax I did get a price a hile ago an an M4 and I thought they ere uite expensive!
But it sounds like there prices are alot better I ill definatly give them a call before my next order!
Are you both members of the Surefire Forums!!
Clint
Clint, i'm not a member of the surefire forum...yet. Do you guys have any advice about the accessories that you've found useful to buy in advance....things like spare lamp assemblies, spare batteries and sheaths etc??? I'm placing an order tomorrow for a 6P and thought i might as well get some accessories hwile i'm at it.
Hullo Hy & Clint,
We locals seems to have taken control of this thread pretty well :-)
I'm a member of the Surefire forum - I've found it very useful, I've noticed you over there Clint.
Mate - the 6P is a great choice - I reckon for an extra $10 it's a good buy - you'll love it.
I've had mine for about 6 years - I've only had to replace the lamp once - it was quite early on and I was bit disappointed that it hadn't lasted too well - but the life of the current lamp makes me think the first one may have been a lemon, or I may have dropped it too hard etc.
In terms of accessories, I like the lanyard, especially when camping etc, I "share" one lanyard between my 3P & 6P, I don't have a pouch - havn't really had the need - not that is a good reason to not acquire another gadget :-).
I'd say you might as well get a spare bulb while you're ordering - IMHO it's good to have both a P60 & P61 unit.
I'm hoping to get an M2 and E1 next.
We locals seems to have taken control of this thread pretty well :-)
I'm a member of the Surefire forum - I've found it very useful, I've noticed you over there Clint.
Mate - the 6P is a great choice - I reckon for an extra $10 it's a good buy - you'll love it.
I've had mine for about 6 years - I've only had to replace the lamp once - it was quite early on and I was bit disappointed that it hadn't lasted too well - but the life of the current lamp makes me think the first one may have been a lemon, or I may have dropped it too hard etc.
In terms of accessories, I like the lanyard, especially when camping etc, I "share" one lanyard between my 3P & 6P, I don't have a pouch - havn't really had the need - not that is a good reason to not acquire another gadget :-).
I'd say you might as well get a spare bulb while you're ordering - IMHO it's good to have both a P60 & P61 unit.
I'm hoping to get an M2 and E1 next.
I agree!
Lanyards are very handy and although I use the low output lamp, the 120 lumen lamp is also useful.
Does Kenmax keep Surefires in stock ??
Or do they have to order from the U.S. hen needed??
Clint.
P.S. Im starting to get confused is this the surefire forum or the spyderco forum???
I might start raving about Spyderco on the Surefire site soon!
Hee hee!
Lanyards are very handy and although I use the low output lamp, the 120 lumen lamp is also useful.
Does Kenmax keep Surefires in stock ??
Or do they have to order from the U.S. hen needed??
Clint.
P.S. Im starting to get confused is this the surefire forum or the spyderco forum???
I might start raving about Spyderco on the Surefire site soon!
Hee hee!
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G'day fellas,
I probably should ask this question on the Surefire forum but, since you seem to have a pretty good thread going here, I thought I'd join in <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>.
My wife and I got a big fright a couple of nights back when we heard the front door slam at about 1 a.m. When we got up there was no one in the house but there was a shadowy figure <b>outside </b> the door. Turned out to be my eldest daughter (aged 10) who was sleep walking and had gone to look for her sister <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>. Anyway it got me thinking, our house is pretty secure but what would I have done if there had really been an intruder. I think a Surefire would be a good start and I've been looking at the 6P and E2, but I need to be sure that they will temporarily blind a BG. What do you blokes reckon, is the E2 bright enough or should I go to the 6P with the brighter lamp?
BTW I only want it for security. I find a Photon is enough for EDC and I have Petzel Zoom headlight for camping and such.
Clay
Don't worry that the world might end tomorrow, in Australia it's tomorrow already.
I probably should ask this question on the Surefire forum but, since you seem to have a pretty good thread going here, I thought I'd join in <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>.
My wife and I got a big fright a couple of nights back when we heard the front door slam at about 1 a.m. When we got up there was no one in the house but there was a shadowy figure <b>outside </b> the door. Turned out to be my eldest daughter (aged 10) who was sleep walking and had gone to look for her sister <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>. Anyway it got me thinking, our house is pretty secure but what would I have done if there had really been an intruder. I think a Surefire would be a good start and I've been looking at the 6P and E2, but I need to be sure that they will temporarily blind a BG. What do you blokes reckon, is the E2 bright enough or should I go to the 6P with the brighter lamp?
BTW I only want it for security. I find a Photon is enough for EDC and I have Petzel Zoom headlight for camping and such.
Clay
Don't worry that the world might end tomorrow, in Australia it's tomorrow already.
Hi Clay,
We've sort of subverted this into a mini Australian Surefire forum - hope Sal & the crew don't mind ;-)
For your stated purpose - I would certainly be strongly recommending you go with one of the 6P/G2/D2/M2/Z2 range, with the high power bulb. These all use the same lamp unit P60/60 lumens or P61/120 Lumens.
There are 3 & 4 battery models as well - but these are pretty dear to buy and run. The 2 battery units would be fine IMHO.
There is talk of a high power lamp for the E2 - but who knows when - or even it's a certainty.
I am just using the standard P60 in my 6P and it's brighter than my 6C cell or 6D cell Maglite.
The high output bulb (AUD $44 from Kenmax) will put out enough light to seriously unsettle any BG.
If you're on a budget - the G2 is the Nitrolon (plastic) body option - same innards as the rest - will take the P61 lamp - Kenmax have these in stock for AUD $120 I think.
Hope this helps - this is what first convinced me to get a Surefire - the guy in the shop told me to close my eyes, and then shone the 6P in my eyes - it was a very powerful demo!
We've sort of subverted this into a mini Australian Surefire forum - hope Sal & the crew don't mind ;-)
For your stated purpose - I would certainly be strongly recommending you go with one of the 6P/G2/D2/M2/Z2 range, with the high power bulb. These all use the same lamp unit P60/60 lumens or P61/120 Lumens.
There are 3 & 4 battery models as well - but these are pretty dear to buy and run. The 2 battery units would be fine IMHO.
There is talk of a high power lamp for the E2 - but who knows when - or even it's a certainty.
I am just using the standard P60 in my 6P and it's brighter than my 6C cell or 6D cell Maglite.
The high output bulb (AUD $44 from Kenmax) will put out enough light to seriously unsettle any BG.
If you're on a budget - the G2 is the Nitrolon (plastic) body option - same innards as the rest - will take the P61 lamp - Kenmax have these in stock for AUD $120 I think.
Hope this helps - this is what first convinced me to get a Surefire - the guy in the shop told me to close my eyes, and then shone the 6P in my eyes - it was a very powerful demo!
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Thanks mrb, that sounds like good advice. I may settle for the G2 as it will make it easier to get the P61 lamp at the same time (also leave me more money for Spydies <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>). BTW have you been having trouble navigating the Surefire site. Every time I click on a link I get a window referring me to the Australian distributors, I had to take a very roundabout route to get any product information. Thanks again.
Take care,
Clay
Don't worry that the world might end tomorrow, in Australia it's tomorrow already.
Edited by - Clay Kesting on 10/4/2001 8:53:25 PM
Take care,
Clay
Don't worry that the world might end tomorrow, in Australia it's tomorrow already.
Edited by - Clay Kesting on 10/4/2001 8:53:25 PM
Hi Clay,
I went to the site yesterday - and it looks like they might be doing some work - looked a lot worse than usual - lots of broken links, 404's etc - but it seems to back to normal now - actually a good site IMHO.
You can see/get the 2001 catalogue at:
http://www.uwgb.edu/nevermab/al/surefire.pdf
G2/P61 sounds like a great first Surefire Clay.
MRB
I went to the site yesterday - and it looks like they might be doing some work - looked a lot worse than usual - lots of broken links, 404's etc - but it seems to back to normal now - actually a good site IMHO.
You can see/get the 2001 catalogue at:
http://www.uwgb.edu/nevermab/al/surefire.pdf
G2/P61 sounds like a great first Surefire Clay.
MRB
Clay,
There's lot's of good threads on the Surefire Forum, here's one that you might find relevant.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/cgi-bi ... 1&t=000250
Most guys really like their E2's for EDC, so your requirements for nightstand use mean the G2 could be more relavant to your particular needs.
Mark
There's lot's of good threads on the Surefire Forum, here's one that you might find relevant.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/cgi-bi ... 1&t=000250
Most guys really like their E2's for EDC, so your requirements for nightstand use mean the G2 could be more relavant to your particular needs.
Mark
I've got a 6P on the way!!! Clay, since u're using it for emergencies, u might as well fork out an extra 40 bucks and get a more solid light...who knows, you could even whack an intruder over the head with it.....using mr janich's techniques....<img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>
Edited by - hy on 10/5/2001 6:08:29 AM
Edited by - hy on 10/5/2001 6:08:29 AM
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Thanks Mark, I checked out that thread. Sounds like the E2 with the brighter lamp (if it happens) might be a good compromise between ease of carry and light output. I would also like to be able to use it for my own and my wife's personal safety. I might hang off for a while to see if the new lamp eventuates. OTOH the price of the G2 is very attractive <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle>.
Where abouts are you? I have a feeling from your web site that you're in Melbourne but if you happen to be in Sydney, Hy and I are planning to get together for a bit of knife talk and you might like to join us.
Take care,
Clay
Don't worry that the world might end tomorrow, in Australia it's tomorrow already.
Where abouts are you? I have a feeling from your web site that you're in Melbourne but if you happen to be in Sydney, Hy and I are planning to get together for a bit of knife talk and you might like to join us.
Take care,
Clay
Don't worry that the world might end tomorrow, in Australia it's tomorrow already.
If any of you L.E. types out there ever have a chance to go to Surefire Tactical Low-Light Instructor School- Do it!!
A good U.S. source for Surefire is www.botachtactical.com
Ben
"No good deed goes unpunished."
A good U.S. source for Surefire is www.botachtactical.com
Ben
"No good deed goes unpunished."
This thread started me checking out our Australian prices.
Kenmax and Pacific Rim are the Australian wholesalers and importers under liscence to Surefire.No US company is allowed to export to Australia for fear of losing the brand.
Out of all the products we buy they are the only ones to be sold to the public at our cost price.
Our wholesale cost on the 6p is $163.90AUD incl GST.We sell it for $194.70AUD thats less than 20% markup.
Seems the prices are way more than US prices.
Remember if ordering a rechargeable then you need the 240volt plug pack.
Regards
Ricki
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Kenmax and Pacific Rim are the Australian wholesalers and importers under liscence to Surefire.No US company is allowed to export to Australia for fear of losing the brand.
Out of all the products we buy they are the only ones to be sold to the public at our cost price.
Our wholesale cost on the 6p is $163.90AUD incl GST.We sell it for $194.70AUD thats less than 20% markup.
Seems the prices are way more than US prices.
Remember if ordering a rechargeable then you need the 240volt plug pack.
Regards
Ricki
info@outdooredge.com.au
Spyderco Club Member
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