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Selling ZDPs

Postby Rogcohen » Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:34 am

Just a quick question. Was looking on Ebay and I noticed there was someone selling 10 Delica ZDPs :eek: Are these dealers who realize the knives they were going to sell for $70 are now going for $150 and are out to fleece the consumers? Seems harsh that so many people who'd actually use the knife haven't been able to get one due to the price inflation :(

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Postby Michael Cook » Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:23 am

:spyder: That's the downside of American capitalism. The d4 in vg-10 is a very nice knife with very nice steel. Honestly this past fiasco with the zdp-189 delica has soured me on sprint runs. I'd love to buy these knives but I won't be exploited by speculators. :spyder:
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Postby bh49 » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:16 am

After Jess Horn come out, I think price is going down. today D4 ZDP-189 was sold for $117. Jess Horn for $90.
In a few weeks second batch of six hundred Delicas will shipped. Than second batch of Jess Horn, than Lum Chinese and than Caly Jr and so on...
I think, everybody will be able to buy some ZDP blade at reasonable price.
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Postby speyederlover » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:21 am

This is crap. I paid around $70 from NGK. At least NGK has some integrity!

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Postby JD Spydo » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:35 am

The hard cold facts about this ZDP surge we are witnessing is this. An item is worth what someone is willing to pay for it> Really that is the bottom line.

I do agree that there is some slimey wheeling and dealing on Ebay as well as other internet sources. I have already on many occasions voiced my extreme disapproval of those who sell knives on Ebay that they don't even have physical possession of the said item. I am sorry I think Ebay should ban such crap. I have a good friend who bought a Purple Salsa and paid for it right after the auction. She never got the knife, the seller never responded to her e-mails and she didn't get her money back for about 6 months after the fact.

And for anyone else selling these items when they don't even have them in stock is just down right unscrupulous. But as far as the auctions are concerned>> if the participants want to bid the item up that high and are willing to pay for it then I just don't see anything wrong with that.

This will all dissipate in due time. Market forces are no different that stocks & bonds, precious metals, currencies or any other commodity. But if a guy/gal wants one bad enough to bid it up to Mt. Everest then let them do it. :)
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Postby Fred Sanford » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:40 am

Michael Cook wrote: :spyder: That's the downside of American capitalism. The d4 in vg-10 is a very nice knife with very nice steel. Honestly this past fiasco with the zdp-189 delica has soured me on sprint runs. I'd love to buy these knives but I won't be exploited by speculators. :spyder:
I agree 100%.

It's a shame really. ;)
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Postby JD Spydo » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:49 am

[quote="David Lowry"]I agree 100%.

It's a shame really. ]

But David don't you think it is sort of the consumers fault for falling into their trap. If people would just not pay the price the people doing it would quit doing it immediately. People buy stuff all the time with the expectation of making a profit on it. I'm not against ticket scalping either. If someone wants to go to a football game bad enough to pay $1000 for a ticket>> then all I got to say is>> that's where a fool's money ended up in the hands of a guy who was a bit smarter than that.

The way around that is to get your order into New Graham or any other great, above board dealer in advance so you won't be in a position to have to pay high prices for them. I would have never paid over $200 for either one of my ZDP-189 Calypso Juniors but a few people did. If someone wants one of mine bad enough to Paypal me $300 my extra one would go out in tomorrow's mail. Our whole economic system is about making a profit. What's totally more obscene than fliping a couple of pocket knives is what this criminal government is doing with gasoline and oil prices. That truly is totally rigged and we don't have a choice in that regard at all.
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Postby BlackNinja » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:02 am

JD Spydo wrote:But David don't you think it is sort of the consumers fault for falling into their trap. If people would just not pay the price the people doing it would quit doing it immediately. People buy stuff all the time with the expectation of making a profit on it. I'm not against ticket scalping either. If someone wants to go to a football game bad enough to pay $1000 for a ticket>> then all I got to say is>> that's where a fool's money ended up in the hands of a guy who was a bit smarter than that.

The way around that is to get your order into New Graham or any other great, above board dealer in advance so you won't be in a position to have to pay high prices for them. I would have never paid over $200 for either one of my ZDP-189 Calypso Juniors but a few people did. If someone wants one of mine bad enough to Paypal me $300 my extra one would go out in tomorrow's mail. Our whole system is about making a profit. What's totally more obscene than fliping a couple of pocket knives is what this criminal government is doing with gasoline and oil prices. That truly is totally rigged and we don't have a choice in that regard at all.
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How can you blame someone else for selling a knife above what you think it should be sold for, if you don't put a pre-order in for it? I can't complain if I didn't put an order in for one, and then the price jumps up, because it's a nice knife. Especially if I know only a certain amount are going to be produced. If I'm a seller, I don't expect to make 0% profit on it! If I ordered one for x price, then I don't have to worry about paying double what I should. I have yet to hear of a seller that expects to make a no profit on something. I don't sell on ebay, and rarely sell on other forums. I'm just saying, what do you expect?
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Postby Fred Sanford » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:08 am

JD Spydo,

Yeah I do agree with you also. It actually blows me away that people pay so much for the stuff.

I don't have anything against it I was just saying that I will not be caught up in the crazyness. :)
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Postby The Mastiff » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:51 am

What's totally more obscene than fliping a couple of pocket knives is what this criminal government is doing with gasoline and oil prices. That truly is totally rigged and we don't have a choice in that regard at all.

Please keep your political opinions out of this knife forum. There are places for that stuff. I sure don't want to hear it. Thanks. Joe L.

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Postby Rogcohen » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:19 pm

I don't really have a problem with the prices and people selling on ebay, but what I do have a problem is with distributors selling on ebay. They're supposed to supply from producer (spyderco) to us, and to buy ten or more knives from spyderco as a distributor and then to sell them at auction for more than the recommended retail price seems crooked. Maybe the guy just managed to buy 15 of them from someone, but somehow i doubt that considering how hard they were to get a hold of. Oh well, I just get the feeling there was some shady dealing going on. Distributors telling people they were on waiting lists while selling their knives off for more. That sort of thing...
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Postby speyederlover » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:24 pm

The Mastiff wrote:Please keep your political opinions out of this knife forum. There are places for that stuff. I sure don't want to hear it. Thanks. Joe L.
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Postby BlackNinja » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:29 pm

Rogcohen wrote:I don't really have a problem with the prices and people selling on ebay, but what I do have a problem is with distributors selling on ebay. They're supposed to supply from producer (spyderco) to us, and to buy ten or more knives from spyderco as a distributor and then to sell them at auction for more than the recommended retail price seems crooked. Maybe the guy just managed to buy 15 of them from someone, but somehow i doubt that considering how hard they were to get a hold of. Oh well, I just get the feeling there was some shady dealing going on. Distributors telling people they were on waiting lists while selling their knives off for more. That sort of thing...
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Now, I agree with that 100%! Very good point!
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Postby Civilian » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:31 pm

It comes down to; for me, not buying "new models" off of ebay sellers. I don't mind buying older models, I don't even mind paying a premium for the rarer ones.
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Postby bh49 » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:39 pm

Rogcohen wrote:I don't really have a problem with the prices and people selling on ebay, but what I do have a problem is with distributors selling on ebay. They're supposed to supply from producer (spyderco) to us, and to buy ten or more knives from spyderco as a distributor and then to sell them at auction for more than the recommended retail price seems crooked. Maybe the guy just managed to buy 15 of them from someone, but somehow i doubt that considering how hard they were to get a hold of. Oh well, I just get the feeling there was some shady dealing going on. Distributors telling people they were on waiting lists while selling their knives off for more. That sort of thing...
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I feel the same. I know at least two dealers, who sold D4 ZDP on ebay. They are out of my list.
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Postby Ted » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:58 pm

I don't think the second batch of 600 has shipped yet, so I'm pretty confident price will drop to $90-$100 on Ebay, maybe less. Only when the full 1200 are sold out, it will go up again.
The latest auction went for $117, buy-it-nows are at $149 and not many are selling. Regular auctions go to $130 or so. So, comparing to the $225 it started at some weeks ago, prices are dropping fast.
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Postby Tim8557 » Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:08 pm

I placed a pre-order with a reputable online retailer last Fall....I was supposedly number 28. I still have no knife yet I had no problem going online with another dealer and getting one of the Jess Horns in ZDP for $69 in 3 days. No preorder, no nothing.

Maybe my "reputable" guys got lured into selling his allocation on EBay and the hell with the preorders.
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Postby Harry White » Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:30 pm

Tim8557 wrote:...I had no problem going online with another dealer and getting one of the Jess Horns in ZDP for $69 in 3 days. No preorder, no nothing.
me too -- i just went online and ordered one tuesday for $79.95 and got it wednesday. ebay is not the only source, but some people act (buy) as if it were.
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Postby eljay » Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:05 pm

Note that the Delica that went for $117 was from a guy too lazy to post a picture. I think that cost him about $15.

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Postby Halfneck » Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:06 pm

I want a ZDP-189 Delica really bad, but I won't pay the crazy asking prices I see. If I am unable to get one, so be it.

I agree that I think it is wrong if distributers are selling on Ebay at the inflated prices.
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