I must confess that I have been influenced by the persistence of RLR (Spyderco site forum) and J.Davey (Bladeforum Spyderco forum) to re-think the SPOT concept and design.
The original SPOT design was the result of much comversation on the forums.
For what it was designed to do, the Perrin finger hole and the Spyderco ergos work well.
1. The knife is not likely to be dropped.
2. The hand is not likely to slide down onto the blade.
3. The action required for use is a natural motion.
The bladed shape needed to be addressed and after much thought, I will concede that the warncliffe blade shape would function quite well. Again, thank RLR & J.Davey. A "leaf" would be my second choice.
I've decided to make a few pattern concept models with the warncliffe to see if the shape and size needs modification. The design as drawn is very similar to the Spot. Slight ergo mods. The blade is a full flat ground warncliffe about 2.25" long.
We'll cut out a few and treat it as an "R&D test".
RLR & J.Davey; if you would be so kind as to email to me your mailing address, I will send each of you one. You can help.
I will also be addessing the sheath/deployment system. I think that a compact sheath, with a clip system and "thumb-push" deployment method that we use on our other Boltaron sheaths would be best. Although opinions are appreciated.
I think a neck hanging system is not as effective as a fixed location that doesn't move or dangle. Deployment ease and speed being important. Immediate access from any position.
Thoughts?
sal
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Spot revisited
Hey Sal!
Yes...good on the non-dangling system, which is why I used a Tek-Lock to mod my SPOT sheath. Carrying it in a canted right hand draw, it is perfect. I can bend, kick, knee, crawl...whatever, and the SPOT does NOT get in the way. The current sheath is great as is, regarding that "push off" method, and if carried in the style I just mentioned, all you need do to replace the knife in sheath is get the blade partially in the sheath, then place your thumb in the finger ring, use your index and middle fingers on the sheath and do a "pinching motion". "CLICK"...it snaps right in!
BTW, holding the SPOT with the pinky in the ring, works VERY well. Kinda like a modified Karambit grip...very spooky and effective in SD.
Wharncliffe? Excellent. I have been comunicating with some of these fellows via email on the SPOT and how we used and carried it. I would not mind seeing a hawksbill version, but I for one, am just content in that you have had second thoughts about disco'ing such a fine FB.
I very much like the "Option" in your acronym for SPOT. It performs very well in a utility role. I'd like one too please!!! :rolleyes:
God bless :cool:
Chad
Yes...good on the non-dangling system, which is why I used a Tek-Lock to mod my SPOT sheath. Carrying it in a canted right hand draw, it is perfect. I can bend, kick, knee, crawl...whatever, and the SPOT does NOT get in the way. The current sheath is great as is, regarding that "push off" method, and if carried in the style I just mentioned, all you need do to replace the knife in sheath is get the blade partially in the sheath, then place your thumb in the finger ring, use your index and middle fingers on the sheath and do a "pinching motion". "CLICK"...it snaps right in!
BTW, holding the SPOT with the pinky in the ring, works VERY well. Kinda like a modified Karambit grip...very spooky and effective in SD.
Wharncliffe? Excellent. I have been comunicating with some of these fellows via email on the SPOT and how we used and carried it. I would not mind seeing a hawksbill version, but I for one, am just content in that you have had second thoughts about disco'ing such a fine FB.
I very much like the "Option" in your acronym for SPOT. It performs very well in a utility role. I'd like one too please!!! :rolleyes:
God bless :cool:
Chad
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Cool - and Thanks!
Well Sal, I always thought that the Wharncliffe Spot would be cool and now you're on side. This is quite an honour. Thanks. I will gladly send you the requested information and assist you in any way you see fit. Just need to call it the RLR/Davey Spot to make it SUPER COOL! Just kidding, but not really. Again, anything I can do, let me know.
RLR
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Yes! Great idea, Sal. Love the warncliff blade. I was so taken by the Spot, I ordered another from the Specials section to back up my EDC. It aslo serves as a back up sheath as I am experimenting with belt mounting at different angles using a tec-loc. Its as sheep friendly as a fixed blade can be and doesent really look like a knife at a glance. I have had no troubles with the current sheath. I have cut heavy, thick materials with this knife which would not be suitable for a longer folding blade. I dipped the handle in insulating rubber which is very durable and comfortable. Thanks for looking at it again.
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I'm in strong agreement with these changes ... i think it makes the Spot a great knife. If this concept works out, we'll have to start working you over on the Dodo, which could use exactly the same blade change IMO.
Sal, in regards to the sheath, are you talking about the same general theory as the thumb-bolt -- push something to get the blade out of the sheath, otherwise it's locked in?
Sal, in regards to the sheath, are you talking about the same general theory as the thumb-bolt -- push something to get the blade out of the sheath, otherwise it's locked in?
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We'll cut out a few and treat it as an "R&D test".
RLR & J.Davey]
That is amazing! :eek: Does everyone here realize how extraordinary Sal is, b/c I didn't (& certainly still don't) know how humbeling of a CEO he is. Guys, I know you will treasure these protos...and perchance you don't PM me for my address I will gladly watch over them for you!!!
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We'll cut out a few and treat it as an "R&D test".
RLR & J.Davey]
That is amazing! :eek: Does everyone here realize how extraordinary Sal is, b/c I didn't (& certainly still don't) know how humbeling of a CEO he is. Guys, I know you will treasure these protos...and perchance you don't PM me for my address
I will gladly watch over them for you!!![CENTER]People are contagious by nature---actions & attitudes seem to spread the fastest of all -jh[/CENTER]
DAYWALKER wrote:Hey Sal!
Wharncliffe? Excellent. I have been comunicating with some of these fellows via email on the SPOT and how we used and carried it. I would not mind seeing a hawksbill version, but I for one, am just content in that you have had second thoughts about disco'ing such a fine FB.
I very much like the "Option" in your acronym for SPOT. It performs very well in a utility role. I'd like one too please!!! :rolleyes:
God bless :cool:
Chad
Excellent call Daywalker]love [/B] to have the more economical option of a somewhat longer SPOT with a mini civi style blade; I'm no photoshop magician, so you'll have to use your imaginations...
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Warncliff is good, but leaf or bowie blade would be even better! Some belly on the blade will make it a better slasher and a better utility knife.
About the sheath, I agree with RLR: No neckers please -- it's always easy to make any sheath a necker. A light weight kydex belt loop attached at the right angle would be great.
About the sheath, I agree with RLR: No neckers please -- it's always easy to make any sheath a necker. A light weight kydex belt loop attached at the right angle would be great.
negative here on the wharncliffe style blade.
granted, a small necker kind of knife like the SPOT is most likely to be carried by hikers, biker, climbers and kayakkers and such, people who like to travel light, and will probably only cut rope and peel fruit with it, but in my opinion the SPOT should be more versatile than a wharncliffe x-akto.
i'd vote for a leaf/drop/spear/utility-blade instead. a blade such as on the (para-)military would seem a much better choice, but that's just me......
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granted, a small necker kind of knife like the SPOT is most likely to be carried by hikers, biker, climbers and kayakkers and such, people who like to travel light, and will probably only cut rope and peel fruit with it, but in my opinion the SPOT should be more versatile than a wharncliffe x-akto.
i'd vote for a leaf/drop/spear/utility-blade instead. a blade such as on the (para-)military would seem a much better choice, but that's just me......
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