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Postby J Smith » Sat Jul 17, 2004 9:21 am

I would love to see G10 to but Sal said "working on molds" so I would guess G10 is out.

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Postby sharp » Sat Jul 17, 2004 9:36 am

14 mm hole thumb groves thats it ! please make a sprint run with g-10 handle 4 mm blade and double liners and make sure it´s up to mbc standards,keep it sharp and safe!

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Postby Jurphaas » Sat Jul 17, 2004 10:01 am

Hi Sal - thanks for giving us the opportunity to burry you under an avalanche of ideas.
1. Larger opening hole.
2. Add the Cobra Hood.
3. Smoothen out the handle and give it a more sturdier profile with out adding too much bulk.
4. Intergrate a (detachable) Photon light that can be used incorporated in the knife or solo (detached from the knife)
5. New slotted left-right clip.
6. Adjustable pivot?
7. "Adult" colors and different Camo schemes.
8. Keep the blades as "slim" as possible. Not as "fat as the Salsa's.
9. Compression Lock?
10. Please resist the "Cheap" blade treatments. Give it an acceptable shine, please.
I hope this input will be of some help.

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Postby vampyrewolf » Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:29 pm

Mess with perfection? OK :D

Had a delica for 3yrs as constant carry... Gave it to my buddy when I got my millie.
Bought another delica last fall, gave it away on the forums... felt too small.
Carried an Endura for over a year (24/7) until I caught the clip on a table one too many times. Soon going to send in for repairs.

Ideas for Delica:
1> wider handle, top to bottom. Thickness is great on it already, just seems skinny.
2> 3.5-4mm blade would be better to beat on, keep hearing tales of broken tips.
3> flat grind (blame it on Alex)
4> lose the dent. Been playing with spydies since aug 99 and haven't managed to squeeze one closed yet in use.

Ideas for Endura:
1-4 from delica
5> larger hole. I wear gloves for work, find the military a LOT easier to open and close.
6> thumb serrations on spine.
7> low ride clip, 3 screw design.

Just my thoughts on em...

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Postby Jimmy_Dean » Sat Jul 17, 2004 1:09 pm

Personnally, I find those knives close enough to what I like to change them but for the sake of taking it to another level here are my suggestions:

I'd also like to see a bi-directionnal texturing like the D'allara has. The size of the hole is fine with me but many of use would like to see it bigger so go for it. No cobra-hood please. It may be a nice feature but I don't see it on a Delica. Steel is good, ergos too. A few color options for the handle like OD would be nice. And like someone pointed out, I already use the front of the ricasso as a sort of choil, so you could redesign this part of the blade and the handle just a bit to make the finger sit there more naturally. Apart from those little details, everything i how I like it.

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Postby Shards of Narsil » Sat Jul 17, 2004 11:55 pm

The Delica is near perfect in design due to keeping it simple, the very reason that it makes such a great budget knife.

To improve without tinkering too much with its identity I'd second Deacon on the bi-di texturing (I say black fish scale) and Pyrochazm for a good choil (a Dragonfly-like one, but deeper, will do).

Keep FRN, keep VG-10, keep ambi-clips (but leave the SS uncoated), keep the general blade shape but up the hole size if possible.

Full flat grind and thumb grooves are nice extras. Would not hurt if it were possible.

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Postby The Deacon » Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:20 am

Jeff asked that I post a picture I did up for a thread I started with ideas for a revamped R here as well, as it contains a some of the ideas he'd like to see in the next generation of Enduras and Delicas. Since he's a tip-up guy, while I prefer tip-down, I added another set of studs (and the clip) to this one.
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Postby steve andrews » Sun Jul 18, 2004 2:09 pm

I like the way it is, but a flat grind would be nice.
Am I the only one getting worried here?...

Edited by - steve andrews on 7/18/2004 2:12:02 PM

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Postby sven » Sun Jul 18, 2004 3:12 pm

no steve, i'm with you in the slightly worried department


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Postby TxWolfe » Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:28 pm

Good knife already..
Serate thumb ramp
G10 handles
Bigger and stronger pivot bolt
Flat grind blade
Offer different steels..D2 would be nice
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Postby jbake » Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:24 pm

Improve???

Well, only thing I can think of is
Full flat grind
more colors (GRAY and an INDIGO like the rescue)
Bead blasted clip like the gray calypso jr.

Maybe, just maybe, a little deeper area for the index finger. Is this technically a choil? Or does choil specifically deal with a cutout on the blade?

Keep the grippy FRN
Keep it tip up
Keep the sizes

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Postby thombrogan » Mon Jul 19, 2004 7:22 am

Actually, the more I use my Delica, the more I like the saber-flat grind. The only change I want is an integral guard/choil like what we see on the Native, Salsa, Dodo, and Scorpius.

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Postby Mr Blonde » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:56 am

Just two thing,

- enlarge the opening hole, a la Military & Pacific

- add thumb grooves on the spine behind the opening hole, a la Military & Pacific

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Postby Pyrochazm » Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:26 am

Perfect! That ilustration was almost exactly what I was thinking.

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Postby Steve W » Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:41 pm

Some colors, thats all.
Please, no hood, no grooves.

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Postby endura22 » Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:08 pm

Sal,

I have been meaning to get logged on to the Forum for a long time but I HAD to after seeing this topic.

I have been carrying Enduras in my pocket every day for about 12 years. The only thing I ever really wanted improved or updated on it you good folks at Spyderco did soon after I thought it. A reversible metal clip, as sometimes I carry one in my left pocket.

I prefer a tip up carry and cannot get used to tip down. I really tighten the single bolt with a touch of blue loctite and have not had any problems with the clip moving since then. I like the blade profile, grind, and thickness.

Possible Changes:

1.I must say I did like the nice big blade hole on a Salt that I handled recently.

2. I would LOVE to see some new colors even if they were just a Sprint run like the Goddards recently. The blue Spyderhawks I have seen on ebay look like a great color. I would buy two of any masculine color...one for the collection and one to use.

I like Delicas too but I am an Endura addict. Please don't change them too much. Some of these ideas sound like a whole new model (like the Pacific Salt.)

Thanks for caring about our input Sal!

7/16/04......22 DIFFERENT Enduras.......and counting!!

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Postby Chazzy151 » Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:41 pm

Full flat grind, thumb ramp traction grooves, larger opening hole. Of course g-10 and an adjustable pivot would be great also !

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Postby markg » Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:08 pm

OK, how about S30V for the steel, and a carbon fiber handle... and keep the retail below $15 ;-) OK, just kidding.

I think an Endura with the ball bearing lock would be cool... however would it push the price up too much?

I have always said that the Endura was one of the 10 most important folding knives of the 20th century. Sure there were other Spydies before that, however the Endura is what really did it for me. First the FRN handle gave it a more pleasing look over the steel handled models. Also, it lowered the price point.

Whatever you do to the Endura/Delica, keep its basic vision in mind. Good quality, good materials, good price.

On that note, if the ball lock would work, I would buy one in a second. Also a new texture on the handle might be neat.

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Postby sal » Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:56 pm

Hi. You've really give me a lot of good suggestions. Really appreciate.

Some of the suggestions would indicate an "LX" version in addition to an upgrade.

As mentioned, part of the success is based on the light weight, easy carry, excellent steel and good price point.

Certainly a lot to think about.

sal

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Postby haji » Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:09 pm

Apparently, I'm a bit late to the party, but I'll add to the thread anyway. All I want-and what I would sell the hell out of-is a sprint run in G10 and S60V or S30V. Other than that, a 5"+ Endura would rock; sort of an FRN Police Model. No need to mess with the proven winners beyond that.


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