Now, I'm not trying to piss anyone off, but is the A.T.R. as good as the price necessarily demands? It looks quite intriguing (love the blade design and the idea of an integral compression lock), but for 200 bucks one could get a very decent custom folder.
Does anyone have any exposure to it? I'd love to hear of anyone's experience with it.
A.T.R.: Worth it?
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I posted my thoughts on this model but can't find the post... anyway I was lusting after one until I got to handle one at a gun show for at least 20 minutes. The balance seemed off due to the light weight titanium handle, and the clip is folded sheetmetal that LOOKS like a chunk of steel. I hate to knock Spydies, but this one reminded me of something made in R.O.C. I do like the blade shape and size, plus the Cobra hood. If the price was half and the scales were stainless, I would add it to my arsenel. I was comparing the Dodo and the A.T.R. at the same show and the Dodo did it for me.
Now to come up with a way to bolt on a Cobra hood to my Military....
Now to come up with a way to bolt on a Cobra hood to my Military....
I LOVE <img src="spyder.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>.I was into the blade design and was going to add one to my stable til I saw the price and couldn't find one cheaper than 189. Yes, I think it is pricey <img src="sad.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0> I have to hold one first and feel it before I buy.
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Be @ Peace..SM
Is it worth it? Great question, and one you have to answer for yourself.
I chose yes. I decided it compared well to the Sebenza, and I really like the blade design, compression lock, handle ergonomics, and materials. I had a little cash to spare and was willing to spend it. (Best price I found was The Fire Store, btw.)
The one thing I see as missing in the A.T.R. is bronze washers, such as those used in the Sebenza and many Benchmades. They smooooth out the open/closing very nicely. As is, the A.T.R. is taking a little lubing to smooth out some.
Woof,
EarthDog
I chose yes. I decided it compared well to the Sebenza, and I really like the blade design, compression lock, handle ergonomics, and materials. I had a little cash to spare and was willing to spend it. (Best price I found was The Fire Store, btw.)
The one thing I see as missing in the A.T.R. is bronze washers, such as those used in the Sebenza and many Benchmades. They smooooth out the open/closing very nicely. As is, the A.T.R. is taking a little lubing to smooth out some.
Woof,
EarthDog
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Read the review of the ATR in the July issue of <i>Tactical Knives</i> for more information. I myself am comfortable with the Gunting and carry the live or drone versions alternatively. (Both of which, BTW, are over $100.00 MSRP) The ATR is an effective MBC folder and your value will depend on its use and what you're going to put into it.
Although it doesn't guarantee quality or justify price I find the $100 limit viewpoint prevalent in people buying SCUBA equipment as well. Many folks question why I buy a $400.00 plus regulator and rather than go into flow volumes, ease of breathing, quality, and maintenance issues, my response is usually, "How much is your life worth?"
I know we're not talking life or death with the ATR but you have to set your own value and decide what is important in an MBC rated knife, a collector's knife, or anything else you want to own. Your own value and utilization should drive what you can and will pay to achieve optimum satisfaction. Worth, effectively, is relative.
I, myself, would think much more than twice about buying a "$200.00 pistol". Unless you've got a buddy who's going to sell you a seriously good pistol for the price of the ATR, I wouldn't trust a $200 surplus handgun without wondering what in the flaming hubs of Hades is wrong with it and how many rounds down the tube before it jams or fails on me - but then your buddy could probably sell you his new ATR at a bargain price too.
I may reconsider this opinion based on whether that's $200 Canadian or $200 US for those customs you're talking about. Aw heck! Either way, that would be one heck of a bargain for a custom. Keep me on the list and send pics!! <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
BTW: I do have an ATR and believe it is a finely crafted tool well worth the much less than $200 price I paid as a collector. I just prefer the Gunting as an MBC carry due to the fexibility it offers along the application of force scale.
j
Edited by - java on 5/15/2004 2:56:10 PM
Although it doesn't guarantee quality or justify price I find the $100 limit viewpoint prevalent in people buying SCUBA equipment as well. Many folks question why I buy a $400.00 plus regulator and rather than go into flow volumes, ease of breathing, quality, and maintenance issues, my response is usually, "How much is your life worth?"
I know we're not talking life or death with the ATR but you have to set your own value and decide what is important in an MBC rated knife, a collector's knife, or anything else you want to own. Your own value and utilization should drive what you can and will pay to achieve optimum satisfaction. Worth, effectively, is relative.
I, myself, would think much more than twice about buying a "$200.00 pistol". Unless you've got a buddy who's going to sell you a seriously good pistol for the price of the ATR, I wouldn't trust a $200 surplus handgun without wondering what in the flaming hubs of Hades is wrong with it and how many rounds down the tube before it jams or fails on me - but then your buddy could probably sell you his new ATR at a bargain price too.
I may reconsider this opinion based on whether that's $200 Canadian or $200 US for those customs you're talking about. Aw heck! Either way, that would be one heck of a bargain for a custom. Keep me on the list and send pics!! <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
BTW: I do have an ATR and believe it is a finely crafted tool well worth the much less than $200 price I paid as a collector. I just prefer the Gunting as an MBC carry due to the fexibility it offers along the application of force scale.
j
Edited by - java on 5/15/2004 2:56:10 PM
After handling the ATR, I couldn't wait to get one. The fit and finish were excellent and there's just something about the look and feel of titanium that I find really, really appealing.
If you consider that titanium ain't cheap to begin with (titanium jewelry is expensive, too - a simple ring will typically run you over $100 pretty easily) and that it's also not very easy to machine, the cost over other similarly equipped Spyders isn't really that much higher.
I think the ATR is definitely worth sub-$200 price you can find it for at the better dealers. I would hesitate to pay the full retail, but you also have to remember that retail prices are set deliberately high enough so as to give the resellers room to discount and compete with each other...
I'm picking up an ATR next week, actually! <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
If you consider that titanium ain't cheap to begin with (titanium jewelry is expensive, too - a simple ring will typically run you over $100 pretty easily) and that it's also not very easy to machine, the cost over other similarly equipped Spyders isn't really that much higher.
I think the ATR is definitely worth sub-$200 price you can find it for at the better dealers. I would hesitate to pay the full retail, but you also have to remember that retail prices are set deliberately high enough so as to give the resellers room to discount and compete with each other...
I'm picking up an ATR next week, actually! <img src="smile.gif" width=15 height=15 align=middle border=0>
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While I am most assured to read that the lock is MBC-rated and trust its compression goodness, I don't see the Salbenza, er, ATR as something to be used for martial arts. Imagine surviving a violent attack only to have your ATR locked up in a police evidence locker where it might not be returned to you and possibly sold to some schmoe at auction for $50. That's not <i>really </i> surviving.
Then again, it's fast to deploy, has a reliable lock, and a strong tip, so what do I know?
Then again, it's fast to deploy, has a reliable lock, and a strong tip, so what do I know?
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I thought a steel handled version was in the pipe line?
Otherwise, what is anything worth? What you are willing to pay I am afraid. Just because you can get a custom at the same price does not make it a better knife, just handmade and crafted.
Till I try one, I will withold judgement weither I would buy one. At that price I think you always must see a knife first.
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Otherwise, what is anything worth? What you are willing to pay I am afraid. Just because you can get a custom at the same price does not make it a better knife, just handmade and crafted.
Till I try one, I will withold judgement weither I would buy one. At that price I think you always must see a knife first.
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My ATR was worth every cent I paid for it. I am a big fan of the Gunting and the Lil Temperance but the ATR is in a class by itself. When you look at the design and the finished manufactured product its hard to believe it is not custom made.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the entire world, stimulating progress, giving birth to evolution." Albert Einstein
"Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the entire world, stimulating progress, giving birth to evolution." Albert Einstein
Dear Holy Man - your question certainly pisses me off. It will probably also piss off everyone at Spyderco involved in designing and producing it. Yes, you can get a proper folder for far under $100,00 and if you're not prepared to spend in exess of that for a knife, why bother to look at it and to ask stupid questions?
Now,I challenge you to show me the $200 custom knife with laser cut machined and drilled titanium scales, a state of the art exclusive lockinf system and a CPM S30V blade in the size of an ATR!
Don't you think that a reputable custom knife maker would like to see a fair and honest return on a knife he spends days on to make? Come on!
Clipits work!
Now,I challenge you to show me the $200 custom knife with laser cut machined and drilled titanium scales, a state of the art exclusive lockinf system and a CPM S30V blade in the size of an ATR!
Don't you think that a reputable custom knife maker would like to see a fair and honest return on a knife he spends days on to make? Come on!
Clipits work!