Native 5 salt is Magnacut?

[Spyder-fan]

I'm a bit concerned with the delay. Spyderco is usually the front runner in releasing new blade steels and they're late to the party with this one. Hopefully whatever the hold up is gets resolved soon. I know they have our best interests in mind and don't want to release something they don't feel is up to their standards.

Curious what the issue is though as the following manufacturers have all already released knives using the steel; Hogue, CRK, Pro-Tech, Tactile, Lionsteel, Medford, , McNees, and Bark River.

[Deadboxhero]

I'm a bit concerned with the delay. Spyderco is usually the front runner in releasing new blade steels and they're late to the party with this one. Hopefully whatever the hold up is gets resolved soon. I know they have our best interests in mind and don't want to release something they don't feel is up to their standards.

Curious what the issue is though as the following manufacturers have all already released knives using the steel; Hogue, CRK, Pro-Tech, Tactile, Lionsteel, Medford, , McNees, and Bark River.

There's nothing to be concerned about, Spyderco's MagnaCut is going to be focused on giving a high performance experience to fully maximize MagnaCuts potential.

HRC doesn't tell the full story so it's nice that all the details are worked out.

It's not a race, it's important to not just get the name of something, but what it can do, not just what it's called.

I cannot speak for Spyderco and what projects get selected and prioritized and why, however Spyderco has also been working on expanding the size of their Golden factory. There have also been other projects that have been in the works like CPM 15V etc.

Putting everything into context, I think people forget the sheer volume of knives put out just to maintain inventory for the basic line PM2, Para 3 in S45VN etc for all these dealers let alone sprints and with the HUGE increased demand over the past couple years almost everybody in the industry has been having a difficult time keeping up with demand while at the same time everybody is doing their best dealing with supply chain issues, manpower, etc.

These knives don't just magically appear even though it seems that way. Think about all the different "bread and butter" models people take for granted without ever seeing the hidden human energy being put into everything. So, its easy to fall into the trap of casually thinking knives are being stamped out and printed buy some automaton.


When I was hanging out with Spyderco at Shot Show what impressed me the most was talking to some of the employees that do some of the grinding, prototyping etc, and they really impressed me with all the challenges that they had to deal with that they are always overcoming striving to perfect but never get any credit for from a part of the public that perceive these knives as appearing from thin air.

Let's give these guys some love for what they do.

It's important to be patient, we are getting something very special.

[Enactive]

I'm a bit concerned with the delay. Spyderco is usually the front runner in releasing new blade steels and they're late to the party with this one. Hopefully whatever the hold up is gets resolved soon. I know they have our best interests in mind and don't want to release something they don't feel is up to their standards.

Curious what the issue is though as the following manufacturers have all already released knives using the steel; Hogue, CRK, Pro-Tech, Tactile, Lionsteel, Medford, , McNees, and Bark River.

There's nothing to be concerned about, Spyderco's MagnaCut is going to be focused on giving a high performance experience to fully maximize MagnaCuts potential.

HRC doesn't tell the full story so it's nice that all the details are worked out.

It's not a race, it's important to not just get the name of something, but what it can do, not just what it's called.

I cannot speak for Spyderco and what projects get selected and prioritized and why, however Spyderco has also been working on expanding the size of their Golden factory. There have also been other projects that have been in the works like CPM 15V etc.

Putting everything into context, I think people forget the sheer volume of knives put out just to maintain inventory for the basic line PM2, Para 3 in S45VN etc for all these dealers let alone sprints and with the HUGE increased demand over the past couple years almost everybody in the industry has been having a difficult time keeping up with demand while at the same time everybody is doing their best dealing with supply chain issues, manpower, etc.

These knives don't just magically appear even though it seems that way. Think about all the different "bread and butter" models people take for granted without ever seeing the hidden human energy being put into everything. So, its easy to fall into the trap of casually thinking knives are being stamped out and printed buy some automaton.


When I was hanging out with Spyderco at Shot Show what impressed me the most was talking to some of the employees that do some of the grinding, prototyping etc, and they really impressed me with all the challenges that they had to deal with that they are always overcoming striving to perfect but never get any credit for from a part of the public that perceive these knives as appearing from thin air.

Let's give these guys some love for what they do.

It's important to be patient, we are getting something very special.

Thanks, Shawn!

I appreciate your insights and perspective and agree that consumer folks should be more appreciative of production workers and processes and should be vastly more patient.

I am as eager as the rest to have some Spyderco MagnaCut in two of my fave models (N5 and M2), but really focusing on being patient. Besides I have all these other awesome Spyderco knives to use in the meantime.

Gratitude and patience really is worthwhile.

A hearty thanks to all the knifemakers who work for or contract with Spyderco!

[bleasure]

Just a quick aside. Your point is certainly valid, but the example may not be the best. You made a reference to one of the most successful smear campaigns in history. The actual story is rather fascinating:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck ... estaurants

thanks for linking to this, it's an important point, and good corrective to a general line of argumentation that's analytically wrong-headed imo and usually flawed, factually. i agree that people's consumerist entitlement is weird and irritating, but it's mostly just embarrassing to them as far as i can see. we don't *have* to take (presumably) grown people tantruming over luxury commodities too seriously, esp when they adopt the posture of a bold hero throwing back the curtain on some dark malfeasance about... what? business logistics being complicated? determining the ideal industrial scale production approach for a literally new form of alloy? lol. it takes people a year to like, deal with that drafty window or loan issue or clean out their shed or whatever. this is not a problem to get so heavy over my dude

[z1r]

Gotta say, I'm not terribly concerned. IMO, when it does arrive, it will have been worth the wait. Really strange, but the N5 is turning out to be the knife I am acquiring the most variants of. Just so much to like about it!

[Manixguy@1994]

Gotta say, I'm not terribly concerned. IMO, when it does arrive, it will have been worth the wait. Really strange, but the N5 is turning out to be the knife I am acquiring the most variants of. Just so much to like about it!

I feel the same not concerned one bit . N5 is a great knife, I’ve had several over the years and appreciate the iconic design . I only have one now in S110V but look to purchasing a couple more Salty ones whenever it happens . Dan

[Woodpuppy]

I’m really trying to hold out for a MagnaCut N5, but may succumb to a SPY27. Wish I’d jumped on the smooth G10/cruwear version. That was before I decided I really needed to try the N5.

[Bdubs808]

I too am in need of a Native in my collection, I sold all of them in favor of the Lil Native. Anticipating this Magnacut Native greatly.

[z1r]

I’m really trying to hold out for a MagnaCut N5, but may succumb to a SPY27. Wish I’d jumped on the smooth G10/cruwear version. That was before I decided I really needed to try the N5.

I'll tell you, the Spy27 is no slouch. The color is nice, and I personally find the steel one of the easier to sharpen and get a keen edge on.

The Cruwear you speak of is nice, but I think I prefer the traction that FRN provides.

[Bemo]

Take all the time you need Spyderco and build up a big inventory of them so that everyone has a good shot at one. If they released them in small batches, you'd then hear complaints about the availability. I'm happy to wait.

[Sharp24/7]

Take all the time you need Spyderco and build up a big inventory of them so that everyone has a good shot at one. If they released them in small batches, you'd then hear complaints about the availability. I'm happy to wait.

This might not be the whole story behind the delay, but if it’s not part of it, I’ll be surprised.

[TheGiant80]

My wife carries a Dragonfly and I've always thought of that knife as one whose capabilities far out reaches it's size. I like that concept and believe the Native 5 could fill that role for me. After comparing and contrasting all the steel options available, MagnaCut appears to be the ticket. Pretty excited for this badboy to get released!

[semfi1345]

I’m really trying to hold out for a MagnaCut N5, but may succumb to a SPY27. Wish I’d jumped on the smooth G10/cruwear version...

Having owned a PM2, Manix 2, Para 3, & native 5 in Cruwear, get the SPY-27 along with the Cruwear models. I realize my signature but if all I had was SPY-27 from here on out....I'd be ok with that. I take a LW Para 3 in SPY-27 to the woods with me everyday as a forester and it refuses to quit.

[Araignee]

Don't hold your breath on seeing this anytime soon, continued production issues with this relatively new unproven steel in a folder format, is concerning.

Without a proper source we cannot take your affirmation at face value. Please do not spread unverified rumours.

[salimoneus]

Don't hold your breath on seeing this anytime soon, continued production issues with this relatively new unproven steel in a folder format, is concerning.

Without a proper source we cannot take your affirmation at face value. Please do not spread unverified rumours.

I guess you haven't been following too closely, but they already publicly stated there were some issues interfacing with the lock components, or something similarly vague, which naturally leads to people speculating. Based on just that limited info, my guess would be that there was some corrosion issues at the contact points of the different metals, but it's anyone's guess. Folders pose significantly more challenges than simple fixed blades, and there's been relatively few folders released in this steel up to this point compared to fixed blades. Perhaps some day we'll find out the details, perhaps not.

[Matus]

Yawn

[Ramonade]

The announce was a bit early, but I'd rather wait 2 more years to have the best performance the steel has to offer, rather than just be disappointed !

[ZrowsN1s]

I have to chuckle a little at the assertion that Shawn doesn't have any insight into Spyderco's Magnacut project.

[phaust]

The announce was a bit early, but I'd rather wait 2 more years to have the best performance the steel has to offer, rather than just be disappointed !

Sal already said don't expect the best at release since that gets dialed in using customer feedback.

Not being released just delays that feedback loop.

[JRinFL]

I have to chuckle a little at the assertion that Shawn doesn't have any insight into Spyderco's Magnacut project.

Yeah, that is kind of hilarious.