Military 2 Discussion (Merged)

[wrdwrght]

Let’s rescue this thread with…the Pattadese. What?!

The Pattadese will remind us that Sal is way more than whatever we choose to call the Military Model, or (dis)liken it to.

The OCD that makes most of us such devoted fans has, ironically, sucked the oxygen right out of this thread. In doing so, it has, more ironically, disrespected the design-genius that Spyderco gifts to us (even while the company makes money in the process).

Gasping for air? Try a different model, and take a deep, refreshing breath. Sal’s Pattadese will do you good, and maybe bring real insight back to this thread.

[vivi]

I want to save this thread and revive it a year after the Millie 2 launches and the What's In Your Pocket thread is filled with them

[Evil D]

I want to save this thread and revive it a year after the Millie 2 launches and the What's In Your Pocket thread is filled with them

There's no accounting for taste. After all there's a whole slew of people out there carrying Enduras and Pacifics. You just can't reach some people.

[Harkwit]

I want to save this thread and revive it a year after the Millie 2 launches and the What's In Your Pocket thread is filled with them

There's no accounting for taste. After all there's a whole slew of people out there carrying Enduras and Pacifics. You just can't reach some people.

They're the best in states with 4" laws like Florida.

[prndltech]

I want to save this thread and revive it a year after the Millie 2 launches and the What's In Your Pocket thread is filled with them

There's no accounting for taste. After all there's a whole slew of people out there carrying Enduras and Pacifics. You just can't reach some people.

Don’t forget police 4 LW. We like those too.

[ladybug93]

nothing like people arguing about arguing for arguments sake.


it seems these kinds of silly and banal disagreements find their way to the forum whenever something intense is happening in the real world. people get all fired about about real issues and then bring that energy here even though they were probably coming here trying to escape it in the first place. then we end up arguing about arguing about the name of a knife like we're on the payroll at spyderco and our future in r&d is at stake. sometimes, we need to just put the internet away for a few beats and go for a walk for some perspective.

at this point, everyone in the argument has lost, regardless of whether there could ever be a winner in this meaningless argument. we should probably just move on and enjoy the anticipation of this knife. i know i might actually be interested in a military finally.


also, this is hilarious...

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After the mating ritual is complete, a 6 month gestation period will begin resulting in a brand new knife, the Military 2, being born into the world.

Unfortunately for the young knife, life will not be easy. Between collectors, youtube reviewers, internet know it alls, and the constant bickering of forum members, it will be scrutinised and held to standards that are not expected of nearly any other knife.

Pair this with the always present and lingering threat of actual users, then the knife is guaranteed to have an extremely difficult upbringing. It will be worked hard, beaten, abused, and critisized.

All of this, however, is necessary for the young knife. For if it can make it through the extreme trials of its youth, it will one day earn the right to compete for leadership of the Spyderco pack. A title fit for a king.

Next time on Planet Knife, The Amazing Aquatic World of the Salt Series.

[T-1000]

20220628_094238.jpg

After the mating ritual is complete, a 6 month gestation period will begin resulting in a brand new knife, the Military 2, being born into the world.

Unfortunately for the young knife, life will not be easy. Between collectors, youtube reviewers, internet know it alls, and the constant bickering of forum members, it will be scrutinised and held to standards that are not expected of nearly any other knife.

Pair this with the always present and lingering threat of actual users, then the knife is guaranteed to have an extremely difficult upbringing. It will be worked hard, beaten, abused, and critisized.

All of this, however, is necessary for the young knife. For if it can make it through the extreme trials of its youth, it will one day earn the right to compete for leadership of the Spyderco pack. A title fit for a king.

Next time on Planet Knife, The Amazing Aquatic World of the Salt Series.

I automatically read this in a David Attenburrough voice.

[T-1000]

I want to save this thread and revive it a year after the Millie 2 launches and the What's In Your Pocket thread is filled with them

I can't wait to post mine, tip down. Bc I'm effin crazy

[Evil D]

I want to save this thread and revive it a year after the Millie 2 launches and the What's In Your Pocket thread is filled with them

I can't wait to post mine, tip down. Bc I'm effin crazy

My money says it'll come tip down from the factory.

[TkoK83Spy]

Ladybug, many times the voice of reason!

[Bloke]

Threads on the original Military used to be my favourites. Everybody had great input and opinions on how to improve arguably the best large folder on the market, in their opinion, of coarse.

Now I think threads on the new Military will be my favourites. Ah, hahaha!

Mr Glesser, God Bless him, obviously listened to the brilliant ideas and opinions and built the knife the opinionated experts wanted.

Now we have a new knife and even more opinions. Members that don’t own or use a Military have opinions, my personal favourite. Members that own and use a Military have opinions. No one’s even seen the new Military other than in pictures and the opinions keep on coming.

Ah, hahaha, ah, hahaha, ah, hahaha! What a debacle!

[Wartstein]

Run out of arguments? My argument hasn’t changed, you’re just unable to properly comprehend the things I say.

nothing like people arguing about arguing for arguments sake.

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at this point, everyone in the argument has lost, regardless of whether there could ever be a winner in this meaningless argument. we should probably just move on and enjoy the anticipation of this knife. i know i might actually be interested in a military finally.

also, this is hilarious...

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At this point I can only assume that perhaps my English is not good enough to make clear what I mean, otherwise I would not know what is so hard to understand here

One last time: For me there is no argument on the matter itself. I don´t care if I am "winner or loser" here, I actually never do. In this case there CAN`T even be "winner or loser",no "right or wrong" cause the matter is subjective, and I value, respect and understand any other opinion on this as I´ve said like 100 times

It does not even matter a lot to me if this knife feels 1.) closer to a PM4 (so a larger PM2 style knife) or a 2.) a "original" Military.
MY personal opinion (and the opinion David and others share here too), which I share here happens to be 1.)
Would be end of story and just a sidenote...

But this is the I think fourth topic now where a guy tells us that HIS subjective and personal opinion is the only "true" one, and folks who happen to see things differently would live in "denial" or (like framed in other threads) "defy reality" and this gets a bit much. Even more so (not in this, but in other threads) when those differing opinions of others come from real world use and extensive experience, but still his opinion is "the one" period, despite obviously never trying a knife in a certain capacity himself.

All I want and all I am talking about - and I think this IS important and worth going off topic - is that we don´t lose that respecting of other opinions on subjective matters, keep an open mind and the capabilty if being humble and think out of the box sometimes (if everybody had that "I know for sure it has to be XY period" - attitude we´d still think SE is hard to sharpen or only good for fibrous material, or still think backlocks are so awkwardly hard to close one handed and so on)

@Nick: As for "running out of arguments": You actually have no real argument for the only thing this is about: Why your opinion on what the Millie 2 reninds you (and that opinion itself is perfectly fine!) has to be true for everyone, otherwise they are "wrong" and live in "denial"...

[Bloke]

[Wartstein]

Harkwit, I don't see it that way. Wart said let's discuss off-line, and then he proceeded to repeat some of what has been said many times over the last few pages. If he was serious about his proposition, he would have contacted Mush privately.
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I am not going to lie, I am tired of these same arguments. And for someone as passionate about the Military as Wart is, he doesn't use one, or even own one!? And he compares it to a PM2, another knife doesn't use, or own. I don't get it.

Now we have a new knife and even more opinions. Members that don’t own or use a Military have opinions, my personal favourite. Members that own and use a Military have opinions. No one’s even seen the new Military other than in pictures and the opinions keep on coming.

@ Anycal: I am bit confused how you come to your statement, cause I seem to recall that you asked me just a short time ago if I even had experience with t a Millie.

- Again: One of my main standards here is to always make clear on what experience or not my posts and opinions are based on. I´v even been accused (rightfully so!) of doing this TOO MUCH, since it is one reason for my too-many-words.
I´d never talk about something I have not actually really tried and tested myself without making that clear (like in "I could just handle, but never really try knife xy; "just from what I read"; and so on.

- So: If I had not extensive experience with the Millie, especially in outdoor use, I would say so. Of course I owned and used a Millie a lot, how could I otherwise talk about how great its linerlock works in the outdoors for me for example?!

- Same is true for the PM2 of course. I´ve used and tested mine a lot (it actually was a gift from forum brother Ztax), currently it is lend out to a friend.

/ As for the "pm me IF this is something personal": Nick started to get personal, and not on the matter anymore, not me. So I meant IF he has a "personal problem" with me he should pm me. I don´t have any with him, I think he generally is a nice and clever guy.

[Mushroom]

Need I say more?

[Bloke]

- Again: …
- So: …
- Same …

Gernot ole mate, I’d like to think my posts are light hearted, sometimes arguably funny, sometimes sarcastic and often enough facetious.

I couldn’t possibly care less if you or anyone else own or use a Military or any other knife. I couldn’t possibly care less what you or anyone else thinks about any knife’s name, origin or pedigree, why would I?

As I stated in the post you’ve partially quoted, I simply think this thread like other Military threads is hilarious, it’s keeping me fairly entertained and I’m grateful for it.

I’m not too sure you’ve quite worked out but I come here for some light hearted banter and a laugh with likeminded people I consider friends, one and all. I don’t come here to argue.

I should mention also, most importantly I’ve learned plenty in my time here and I continue to learn often enough and for that and the friends I’ve made I’m most grateful.

[JSumm]

I think in order for it to be American-Made Knife of the Year at Blade Show 2022, it needs to hit the market in 2022. 6 more months to go. I am going to optimistically guess October.

[prndltech]

I’m only in it for that beautiful box. Black, separated from red by a beautiful, sweeping curve that fades from black, to gray, to white and back to gray again and finally embellished with a gold bug on top. Mmmm.

[JSumm]

I’m only in it for that beautiful box. Black, separated from red by a beautiful, sweeping curve that fades from black, to gray, to white and back to gray again and finally embellished with a gold bug on top. Mmmm.

There is something about seeing that box. Just like Pavlov's dog I begin to salivate at its sight. One thing we can agree upon is it is going to be a big box.

[Woodpuppy]

I’m only in it for that beautiful box. Black, separated from red by a beautiful, sweeping curve that fades from black, to gray, to white and back to gray again and finally embellished with a gold bug on top. Mmmm.

There is something about seeing that box. Just like Pavlov's dog I begin to salivate at its sight. One thing we can agree upon is it is going to be a big box.

The new knife certainly has a big box to fill