Need help: Remedying gritty action on stainless steel Endura (no disassembly, no screws at all!)

Discuss Spyderco's products and history.
metaphoricalsimile
Member
Posts: 415
Joined: Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:56 pm

Re: Need help: Remedying gritty action on stainless steel Endura (no disassembly, no screws at all!)

Postby metaphoricalsimile » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:14 pm

I just think if it's a big concern, if you follow the principle of "like dissolves like" to remove the more-toxic solvent with a food safe oil, and finish any solvent regime with soap and water followed by isopropyl you're going to get nearly anything off the blade that hasn't chemically reacted with it, or elsewise formed super strong bonds. At that point, if it's bonded so well that solvents followed by surfactants followed by volatile low-molecular-weight solvents doesn't remove it, neither is your food going to.

User avatar
Bloke
Member
Posts: 5292
Joined: Fri May 13, 2016 12:43 am
Location: Sydney, Australia.

Re: Need help: Remedying gritty action on stainless steel Endura (no disassembly, no screws at all!)

Postby Bloke » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:08 pm

Wartstein wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:06 pm
Bloke wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:54 pm


Six extra holes adjacent the pivot to allow for ingress of all sorts of shite.

The price you pay for choice of clip placement.
True, but only for tip DOWN.
If a tip UP option is added (to a tip down option), this is no problem imho cause the holes for tip up are pretty much on the other side of the handle as the pivot is
Hey Gernot, the tip up, down and sideways debate rages. Ah, hahaha!

Either ways, I can’t quite make sense of what you write (above) and it doesn’t matter at all mate.

Here are my two most used folders. Both designed by Mr Glesser as it goes.

Image


Image

Can you see what they have in common and how they differ from most other Spyders and others? :winking-tongue
A day without laughter is a day wasted. ~ Charlie Chaplin

User avatar
Wartstein
Member
Posts: 12029
Joined: Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:06 am
Location: Salzburg, Austria, Europe

Re: Need help: Remedying gritty action on stainless steel Endura (no disassembly, no screws at all!)

Postby Wartstein » Sat Jan 15, 2022 1:28 am

Bloke wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:08 pm
Wartstein wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:06 pm
Bloke wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:54 pm


Six extra holes adjacent the pivot to allow for ingress of all sorts of shite.

The price you pay for choice of clip placement.
True, but only for tip DOWN.
If a tip UP option is added (to a tip down option), this is no problem imho cause the holes for tip up are pretty much on the other side of the handle as the pivot is
Hey Gernot, the tip up, down and sideways debate rages. Ah, hahaha!

Either ways, I can’t quite make sense of what you write (above) and it doesn’t matter at all mate.
.....
No intention to participate in a "clip position debate", my friend! ;)

Yeah, my comment was a bit confusing I guess:

All It tried to say is this:

- Uncovered holes for the clip screw do only matter in the tip down placement when it comes to letting dirt to the pivot, cause, well, that´s where the pivot is
- Open holes in the tip UP position don´t matter at all imho when it comes to keeping the pivot clean, cause they are almost as far as possible away from the pivot area
Top three going by pocket-time (update April 22):
- EDC: Manix 2 LW in REX 45 , Endela SE in VG10, stainless steel handle Endura in VG10 (hollow grind)
- Mountains/outdoors: Salt 2 SE in LC200N, Pac.Salt 1 SE in H1, Endura in VG10 (Micarta scales).

User avatar
Wartstein
Member
Posts: 12029
Joined: Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:06 am
Location: Salzburg, Austria, Europe

Re: Need help: Remedying gritty action on stainless steel Endura (no disassembly, no screws at all!)

Postby Wartstein » Sat Jan 15, 2022 1:31 am

Monty wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:43 pm
I didn't read the whole thread so maybe this has been suggested...

If all else fails find a gun shop that does ultrasonic cleaning. A few minutes will have everything out.
That´s actually something I´ve never even heard of, thanks!
Just not too many gun shops here in Salzburg /Austria / Europe, but there are still two I think - though more for hunting rifles than hand guns, but that won´t matter in this regard I guess
Top three going by pocket-time (update April 22):
- EDC: Manix 2 LW in REX 45 , Endela SE in VG10, stainless steel handle Endura in VG10 (hollow grind)
- Mountains/outdoors: Salt 2 SE in LC200N, Pac.Salt 1 SE in H1, Endura in VG10 (Micarta scales).

User avatar
Wartstein
Member
Posts: 12029
Joined: Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:06 am
Location: Salzburg, Austria, Europe

Re: Need help: Remedying gritty action on stainless steel Endura (no disassembly, no screws at all!)

Postby Wartstein » Sat Jan 15, 2022 1:33 am

Doc Dan wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:28 pm
Try this: Get some old fashioned white toothpaste. Fill the knife pivot and lock area with it and work the blade, lock bar in contact with the tang. Work it, fill with more paste, and work it some more. No water. It should feel very rough and gritty. After a hundred or so openings and closings, rinse out the knife really well and oil it. It will likely be like butter, after all of that.

Thanks, Doc, I´ll try this today just like you and Spoonrobot suggested! :smiling-cheeks
Top three going by pocket-time (update April 22):
- EDC: Manix 2 LW in REX 45 , Endela SE in VG10, stainless steel handle Endura in VG10 (hollow grind)
- Mountains/outdoors: Salt 2 SE in LC200N, Pac.Salt 1 SE in H1, Endura in VG10 (Micarta scales).

User avatar
Doc Dan
Member
Posts: 12526
Joined: Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:25 am
Location: In a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity.

Re: Need help: Remedying gritty action on stainless steel Endura (no disassembly, no screws at all!)

Postby Doc Dan » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:40 am

Wartstein wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 1:33 am
Doc Dan wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:28 pm
Try this: Get some old fashioned white toothpaste. Fill the knife pivot and lock area with it and work the blade, lock bar in contact with the tang. Work it, fill with more paste, and work it some more. No water. It should feel very rough and gritty. After a hundred or so openings and closings, rinse out the knife really well and oil it. It will likely be like butter, after all of that.

Thanks, Doc, I´ll try this today just like you and Spoonrobot suggested! :smiling-cheeks
I didn't see his (her) post on this. Toothpaste is a mild abrasive so it may take a little while of doing this. It is not aggressive, at all. However, it is very easy to clean out with just water once you're done.
I Pray Heaven to Bestow The Best of Blessing on THIS HOUSE, and on ALL that shall hereafter Inhabit it. May none but Honest and Wise Men ever rule under This Roof! (John Adams regarding the White House)

Follow the Christ, the King,
Live pure, speak true, right wrong, follow the King--
Else, wherefore born?" (Tennyson)


https://www.facebook.com/fallplanet Author page

Telegram Channel: https://t.me/dandocthomas

NRA Life Member
Spydernation 0050

User avatar
Superflex
Member
Posts: 340
Joined: Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:48 pm
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio

Re: Need help: Remedying gritty action on stainless steel Endura (no disassembly, no screws at all!)

Postby Superflex » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:45 am

After backpacking trips getting the action of my pinned Delica 3 gritty, I would throw it in the dishwasher.
I like Vivi's method of submerging it in a bowl of water and working the action.
-Alex MNOSD #0040
204P, Elmax, 4V, H1, CruWear, REX45, 20CV, M4, BD1N, M390, HAP40, S90V, 52100, K390, VG10, LC200N, XHP, S35VN, ATS55

User avatar
Superflex
Member
Posts: 340
Joined: Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:48 pm
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio

Re: Need help: Remedying gritty action on stainless steel Endura (no disassembly, no screws at all!)

Postby Superflex » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:58 am

Tetrachloroethane or perc was used as a metal degreaser. Once it evaporates, there is no residue left on the metal. You wont find perc or its cousin trichloroethane in any over the counter products anymore as they have been replaced with less toxic alternatives.

Benzene is found in gasoline. You better not fill up your car or you're gonna die.

I have been working as an environmental professional for over 30 years, and the fear mongering of industrial chemicals and products and lack of understanding of exposure pathways by unnamed members here is truly mind blowing.

As they say, stay in your lane.
-Alex MNOSD #0040
204P, Elmax, 4V, H1, CruWear, REX45, 20CV, M4, BD1N, M390, HAP40, S90V, 52100, K390, VG10, LC200N, XHP, S35VN, ATS55

User avatar
Superflex
Member
Posts: 340
Joined: Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:48 pm
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio

Re: Need help: Remedying gritty action on stainless steel Endura (no disassembly, no screws at all!)

Postby Superflex » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:59 am

Wartstein wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 1:31 am
Monty wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:43 pm
I didn't read the whole thread so maybe this has been suggested...

If all else fails find a gun shop that does ultrasonic cleaning. A few minutes will have everything out.
That´s actually something I´ve never even heard of, thanks!
Just not too many gun shops here in Salzburg /Austria / Europe, but there are still two I think - though more for hunting rifles than hand guns, but that won´t matter in this regard I guess
Jewelers also have ultrasonic cleaners.
-Alex MNOSD #0040
204P, Elmax, 4V, H1, CruWear, REX45, 20CV, M4, BD1N, M390, HAP40, S90V, 52100, K390, VG10, LC200N, XHP, S35VN, ATS55

User avatar
JRinFL
Member
Posts: 4102
Joined: Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:30 am
Location: Unfashionable West End of the Galaxy

Re: Need help: Remedying gritty action on stainless steel Endura (no disassembly, no screws at all!)

Postby JRinFL » Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:15 am

Ultrasonic cleaners are also not overly expensive. Many home units are light duty, but how often will you use it? One a week, once a month?
"...it costs nothing to be polite." - Winston Churchill Not every choiless knife needs a choil, not every knife with a choil needs it removed. Not every big knife needs a Lil' companion. Most Nobel Order of the Sock Drawer - Member 0001
Friends call me Jim. As do my foes.
Used to be JR in CT with a much earlier join date.
“Maybe the cheese in the mousetrap is an artificially created cheaper price?” -Sal

User avatar
Wartstein
Member
Posts: 12029
Joined: Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:06 am
Location: Salzburg, Austria, Europe

Re: Need help: Remedying gritty action on stainless steel Endura (no disassembly, no screws at all!)

Postby Wartstein » Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:18 am

Superflex wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:59 am
Wartstein wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 1:31 am
Monty wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:43 pm
I didn't read the whole thread so maybe this has been suggested...

If all else fails find a gun shop that does ultrasonic cleaning. A few minutes will have everything out.
That´s actually something I´ve never even heard of, thanks!
Just not too many gun shops here in Salzburg /Austria / Europe, but there are still two I think - though more for hunting rifles than hand guns, but that won´t matter in this regard I guess
Jewelers also have ultrasonic cleaners.

Thanks! Tbh I did not even know that something like such cleaners actually exist.... :worried
Top three going by pocket-time (update April 22):
- EDC: Manix 2 LW in REX 45 , Endela SE in VG10, stainless steel handle Endura in VG10 (hollow grind)
- Mountains/outdoors: Salt 2 SE in LC200N, Pac.Salt 1 SE in H1, Endura in VG10 (Micarta scales).

jacala
Member
Posts: 209
Joined: Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:33 am
Location: Queensland,Australia

Re: Need help: Remedying gritty action on stainless steel Endura (no disassembly, no screws at all!)

Postby jacala » Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:32 am

Superflex,
Sorry, off the subject,but !!!
In the mid 1970's I owned a Ford Falcon (351) GTHO and used to add a couple of gallons of Methyl Benzine to prevent
"pinging". Also previous to that I owned a hotted-up Morris Mini and added M/Benzine for the same reason.
Worked fine , no damaged valves etc.

User avatar
VWTattoo
Member
Posts: 819
Joined: Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:33 am
Location: Blandon, PA

Re: Need help: Remedying gritty action on stainless steel Endura (no disassembly, no screws at all!)

Postby VWTattoo » Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:04 am

Definitely a small ultrasonic cleaner for home isn’t expensive, though an endura might be a tight fit, closed. I can also suggest a steam cleaner to blast steam in the pivot and heat up/ break up / blast away the crud you have going on in there. Both a small steam cleaner and an ultrasonic cleaner are invaluable tools to have.

Good luck, and as a side note, my SS SE Endura II is my first ever Spyderco purchased in 98, and it still cuts like a chainsaw. I carry it quite regularly, so it’s great to see another one being used.

User avatar
Wartstein
Member
Posts: 12029
Joined: Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:06 am
Location: Salzburg, Austria, Europe

Re: Need help: Remedying gritty action on stainless steel Endura (no disassembly, no screws at all!)

Postby Wartstein » Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:25 am

VWTattoo wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:04 am
..... I can also suggest a steam cleaner to blast steam in the pivot and heat up/ break up / blast away the crud you have going on in there. Both a small steam cleaner and an ultrasonic cleaner are invaluable tools to have.

Good luck, and as a side note, my SS SE Endura II is my first ever Spyderco purchased in 98, and it still cuts like a chainsaw. I carry it quite regularly, so it’s great to see another one being used.

Thanks for your help! :)

/ So yours does also still have the hollow sabre grind?
For me the "hollow" - thing makes for a huge difference to "just" sabre. It is actually a great cutter, and the tip somehow the "best of both worlds" - not as thin and potentially fragile as in ffg, but also not that overly sturdy (and by that imho less useful) as on a true sabre grind.
Top three going by pocket-time (update April 22):
- EDC: Manix 2 LW in REX 45 , Endela SE in VG10, stainless steel handle Endura in VG10 (hollow grind)
- Mountains/outdoors: Salt 2 SE in LC200N, Pac.Salt 1 SE in H1, Endura in VG10 (Micarta scales).

User avatar
VWTattoo
Member
Posts: 819
Joined: Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:33 am
Location: Blandon, PA

Re: Need help: Remedying gritty action on stainless steel Endura (no disassembly, no screws at all!)

Postby VWTattoo » Mon Jan 17, 2022 1:49 pm

Wartstein wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:25 am
/ So yours does also still have the hollow sabre grind?
Mine is an AUS-6 Version, from just before they switched to ATS-55. So yes, it does, and the AUS-6 is easy to touch up even in Serrated flavor. ;)

K1500
Member
Posts: 35
Joined: Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:00 pm

Re: Need help: Remedying gritty action on stainless steel Endura (no disassembly, no screws at all!)

Postby K1500 » Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:39 pm

I wonder if it is galling? If so, no amount of flushing and lubing will really help. It can happen if a knife is completely stripped of all lube and opened and closed. It doesn’t always happen, but it can cause a gritty feel.

ekastanis
Member
Posts: 80
Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:05 pm

Re: Need help: Remedying gritty action on stainless steel Endura (no disassembly, no screws at all!)

Postby ekastanis » Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:04 pm

Superflex wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:58 am
Tetrachloroethane or perc was used as a metal degreaser. Once it evaporates, there is no residue left on the metal. You wont find perc or its cousin trichloroethane in any over the counter products anymore as they have been replaced with less toxic alternatives.
Perchloroethane is hexachloroethane. If you mean perchloroethylene (= tetrachloroethylene), it is still widely used as brake parts cleaner. See the MSDS for this product which I buy regularly:

https://www.crcindustries.com/products/ ... z-306.html

They make a non-chlorinated version too (a mixture of methanol, toluene, heptane and acetone), which makes a great general purpose solvent spray, but for brake jobs I use perc. Neither leaves any residue (a basic requirement for a brake part cleaner).


Return to “Spyderco General Discussion”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], Brock O Lee, Google [Bot], Mdrgn79, unified, Wartstein and 33 guests