Do we know when the PM2 S45VN Black version will be available ?

[Xformer]

It seems it's on preorder status only on most major website. Only the Satin PM2 in S45VN is available.

Can't wait because of the black liners. It's all black know

[Leksy]

Lynch Northwest has all-black version in stock right now, with black cerakote clip added. Can't say anything about liners, though.
https://www.lynchnw.com/knives/spyderco ... black-s45v
They recently had some new knives arrived in stock.

BTW, I have to mention: Casey is fair, trustworthy craftsman and dealer, I'm totally happy with my orders.

The last was PM2 DLC Camo, with "FU" production date stamp (June 2021). Its fit and finish are flawless, the liners are black.

[RamZar]

It has been out to dealers since mid-August!

Although the ParaMilitary2 CPM-S45VN Black DLC Blade Black G-10 C81GPBK2 is not a new model it has quite a few upgrades. The blade steel is S45VN not S30V and the Blackout makes all hardware, clip and liners black DLC coated. They're trickling into dealers.





https://youtu.be/N6-9IGUpCKc

[Josh1973]

IDK when the S45 version will come around. But for $199 Smokey Mountain Knife Works has this beautiful PM2 in CPM M4 steel.
https://www.smkw.com/spyderco-smkw-excl ... torm-satin

[James Y]

I’m interested in getting either a DLC S45VN PM2, or the same in a Para 3. One or the other. I’m leaning more towards the Para 3, though, as I already own a couple of PM2s.

Jim

[RamZar]

Blackout Para3 with S45VN has been at dealers for a month now.

Although the Para3 CPM-S45VN Black DLC Blade Black G-10 C223GPBK is not a new model it has quite a few upgrades. The blade steel is S45VN not S30V and the Blackout makes all hardware, clip and liners black DLC coated. They're trickling into dealers.





https://youtu.be/db3r71dhqKU

[James Y]

Thanks!

For me right now, it’s more of a financial reason for holding off on buying.

Jim

[RamZar]

Thanks!

For me right now, it’s more of a financial reason for holding off on buying.

Jim

Understood.

Both the ParaMilitary2 & Para3 Blackout S45VN folders are regular production items so they’ll be around for a long time.

[James Y]

Thanks!

For me right now, it’s more of a financial reason for holding off on buying.

Jim

Understood.

Both the ParaMilitary2 & Para3 Blackout S45VN folders are regular production items so they’ll be around for a long time.

That's a great Thing!

I suppose I could use the excuse that I should buy one before the end of this year, as prices will most likely be increasing again next year.

Then the remaining conundrum is deciding between PM2 or Para 3.

Jim

[Nuh Nups]

Understood.

Both the ParaMilitary2 & Para3 Blackout S45VN folders are regular production items so they’ll be around for a long time.

Sure wish you could work some magic and post a link to a Military in that same configuration.

[RamZar]

Thanks!

For me right now, it’s more of a financial reason for holding off on buying.

Jim

Understood.

Both the ParaMilitary2 & Para3 Blackout S45VN folders are regular production items so they’ll be around for a long time.

That's a great Thing!

I suppose I could use the excuse that I should buy one before the end of this year, as prices will most likely be increasing again next year.

Then the remaining conundrum is deciding between PM2 or Para 3.

Jim

Inflation has been hitting almost all sectors of the economy and increases in some Spyderco MSRP is almost a certainty. Additionally, Spyderco may again drop the MAP discount from the current 30% to 25% to “help dealers”. Prior to January 1, 2016 Spyderco had no MAP enforcement and you could get some knives at 45%-50% off MSRP. However, starting in January 2016 MAP became 40% (dealers could not advertise a price below 40% off MSRP). Since then Spyderco has dropped MAP to 35% (January 2018) and then 30% (January 2020).

[James Y]

Funny thing is, I already own a DLC S35VN PM2, but unlike the new ones coming out, only its blade is DLC coated.

I'm leaning towards the all-DLC'd Para 3, because the one I own is uncoated. That and its universal legality in jurisdictions in my state. Also, when the prices inevitably increase, I'd hate to pay as much or more later for a DLC Para 3 than I would for the same in a PM2 right now. If that makes any sense.

Thankfully, I'm no longer an impulse buyer. But the desire for upgraded versions of favorite models never ends...

Jim

[Doc Dan]

What does S45VN bring to the table that we don't already have, except for being a new steel? I mean seriously. Cool looking knife, though.

[RamZar]

What does S45VN bring to the table that we don't already have, except for being a new steel? I mean seriously. Cool looking knife, though.

See article:
https://knifesteelnerds.com/2019/11/01/ ... 5vn-steel/

S45VN offers better corrosion resistance and toughness than S30V with the same edge retention.

[Xformer]

What does S45VN bring to the table that we don't already have, except for being a new steel? I mean seriously. Cool looking knife, though.

See article:
https://knifesteelnerds.com/2019/11/01/ ... 5vn-steel/

S45VN offers better corrosion resistance and toughness than S30V with the same edge retention.

Does the increase in toughness means the PM2 point will be sturdier ?

[James Y]

What does S45VN bring to the table that we don't already have, except for being a new steel? I mean seriously. Cool looking knife, though.

See article:
https://knifesteelnerds.com/2019/11/01/ ... 5vn-steel/

S45VN offers better corrosion resistance and toughness than S30V with the same edge retention.

Does the increase in toughness means the PM2 point will be sturdier ?

I would still take care with the tip. I have an S35VN PM2, and while S35VN also has more 'toughness' than S30V, the blade is still ground to the same fine, delicate tip. Any fine, thinly-ground tip in any steel has the potential to break off. I've accidentally chipped the very tip off of one of my Tasman Salts, and H1 is known to be a tough steel.

Jim

[Xformer]

What does S45VN bring to the table that we don't already have, except for being a new steel? I mean seriously. Cool looking knife, though.

See article:
https://knifesteelnerds.com/2019/11/01/ ... 5vn-steel/

S45VN offers better corrosion resistance and toughness than S30V with the same edge retention.

Does the increase in toughness means the PM2 point will be sturdier ?

I would still take care with the tip. I have an S35VN PM2, and while S35VN also has more 'toughness' than S30V, the blade is still ground to the same fine, delicate tip. Any fine, thinly-ground tip in any steel has the potential to break off. I've accidentally chipped the very tip off of one of my Tasman Salts, and H1 is known to be a tough steel.

Jim

Too bad then. It was one of my biggest reason I was hyped by the S45VN update on the PM2.

For years, I've pestered Spyderco to make a PM2 with a more sturdy blade, I even spent days do make a mock-up of a PM2 with a Nirvana blade that I posted in our dear forum. I've also tried to convince them to make the PM2 tanto go into regular production... so when I heard the Spyderco moved to S45VN for the PM2, I felt like a fool because I thought I was missing the forest behind the tree. Why change the blade shape when you can just go for a tougher steel ? If the point is still as fragile, I guess I'm going back to square one

I hope the next bach of PM2 tanto feature the black liners and S45VN though.

[James Y]

See article:
https://knifesteelnerds.com/2019/11/01/ ... 5vn-steel/

S45VN offers better corrosion resistance and toughness than S30V with the same edge retention.

Does the increase in toughness means the PM2 point will be sturdier ?

I would still take care with the tip. I have an S35VN PM2, and while S35VN also has more 'toughness' than S30V, the blade is still ground to the same fine, delicate tip. Any fine, thinly-ground tip in any steel has the potential to break off. I've accidentally chipped the very tip off of one of my Tasman Salts, and H1 is known to be a tough steel.

Jim

Too bad then. It was one of my biggest reason I was hyped by the S45VN update on the PM2.

For years, I've pestered Spyderco to make a PM2 with a more sturdy blade, I even spent days do make a mock-up of a PM2 with a Nirvana blade that I posted in our dear forum. I've also tried to convince them to make the PM2 tanto go into regular production... so when I heard the Spyderco moved to S45VN for the PM2, I felt like a fool because I thought I was missing the forest behind the tree. Why change the blade shape when you can just go for a tougher steel ? If the point is still as fragile, I guess I'm going back to square one

I hope the next bach of PM2 tanto feature the black liners and S45VN though.

Hi, Chapp.

Sorry, it wasn’t my intention to discourage you from buying one of the new PM2’s, if you had your sights set on one. I’m sure the tip of an S45VN PM2 would be a bit less brittle than S30V. It’s just that any fine-tipped blade like that will have that same inherent vulnerability at the tip, regardless of steel. That’s why the tips on the Delica 4 and Endura 4 blades were given a slightly reinforced tip design, compared to earlier versions of the Delicas and Enduras.

Jim

[Freediver]

https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/detail ... -Blade/625

In stock at the SFO. I picked one up a few weeks ago and it hasn’t left my pocket.