Might there be an AEB-L mule someday?
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Re: Might there be an AEB-L mule someday?
Just to be a contrarian...
Why not 14c28n?
Can't get quite as hard, but at 61-62 (which is where it's likely to end up in a mass-produced knife) the toughness is still in the same class and corrosion/wear resistance are better.
Larrin suggests the hardenability (lack of Mo?) of these steels means the low cost/large-oven batches are unlikely to hit targets up in the 63+ range. [Edit: seems like deep cryo is also required for max hardness in AEB-L]
But of course lots of amazing things have been done with AEBL, and there have been plenty of terrible knives in both steels.
Why not 14c28n?
Can't get quite as hard, but at 61-62 (which is where it's likely to end up in a mass-produced knife) the toughness is still in the same class and corrosion/wear resistance are better.
Larrin suggests the hardenability (lack of Mo?) of these steels means the low cost/large-oven batches are unlikely to hit targets up in the 63+ range. [Edit: seems like deep cryo is also required for max hardness in AEB-L]
But of course lots of amazing things have been done with AEBL, and there have been plenty of terrible knives in both steels.
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Why not both?
I'm quite fond of 14c28n. I'd definitely buy a Mule in that steel.
I imagine Spyderco prefers Spy27 (and at this point I'm thinking I do too), but I've made several knives from 14c28n and I'm very happy with it's mix of qualities (including price as one of the qualities).
I have a whole list of steels I'd love to see in a mule.
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Re: Might there be an AEB-L mule someday?
Thanx Shawn. Got it. We don't have any control over the batch pour, but I think we can handle the rest.
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Neither do I, I just try to cherry pick the batch.
Looking forward to the results.
Thanks Sal
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Re: Might there be an AEB-L mule someday?
I'd do a Mule in 14c28n.
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So what number mule is AEBL? Upvote!
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Re: Might there be an AEB-L mule someday?
JacksonKnives wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 10:52 pmJust to be a contrarian...
Why not 14c28n?
Can't get quite as hard, but at 61-62 (which is where it's likely to end up in a mass-produced knife) the toughness is still in the same class and corrosion/wear resistance are better.
Larrin suggests the hardenability (lack of Mo?) of these steels means the low cost/large-oven batches are unlikely to hit targets up in the 63+ range. [Edit: seems like deep cryo is also required for max hardness in AEB-L]
But of course lots of amazing things have been done with AEBL, and there have been plenty of terrible knives in both steels.
A 14c28n mule is a good idea and it probably needs its own thread to get exposure.
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Re: Might there be an AEB-L mule someday?
Just to clarify, I'm curious to see if Spyderco is able to get AEB-L up to HRC 63+ (requires LN cryo and a lot of precision) to make it stand out. If they can, I'd love to see that Mule.
If the practicalities make that impossible, it seems obvious to pick 14c28n over AEB-L at HRC ~61. It's a win-win upgrade. It may cost a bit more, but I'm assuming a specialized HT is a bigger expense than the steel for a project like this.
If the practicalities make that impossible, it seems obvious to pick 14c28n over AEB-L at HRC ~61. It's a win-win upgrade. It may cost a bit more, but I'm assuming a specialized HT is a bigger expense than the steel for a project like this.
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How expensive would the 63+ HRC heat treat make a production knife?
For a mule, the answer is, of course 'do both'. :)
For a mule, the answer is, of course 'do both'. :)
Re: Might there be an AEB-L mule someday?
In for a 63+ HRC AEB-L mule... if it last for 63+ secs.