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Re: Elastic Ceramic. Wow!

Postby CLOK » Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:35 pm

Thanks for the update Sal! Looking forward to it.

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Re: Elastic Ceramic. Wow!

Postby Bluemoon69 » Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:00 pm

Non metallic to avoid security metal detectors.

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Re: Elastic Ceramic. Wow!

Postby Araignee » Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:22 pm

sal wrote:
Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:03 pm
Hi Fireman,

What would someone want a fully non metallic knife for?

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Not Fireman but off the top of my head :

- Diving, where there's a need for extreme resistance to corrosion (and titanium blades won't cut it [pun intended] since they're easily blunted).

- Military diving, perhaps ? As I recall reading that underwater deminers need to avoid using metallic substances near mines, lest they could trigger the devices' electromagnetic detonation systems. (But don't quote me on that, it does seem far-fetched, given 1/ I doubt the mine would be so sensitive as to detonate just due to the metal mass of a knife, which'd be stupid ; and 2/ stainless steel isn't considered ferromagnetic)

- Working in hazardous environments (ATEX), where there's a theoretical risk (albeit minimal) of accidentally creating sparks whilst using a knife.

Edit : sorry I misread, you were referring to the metallic components other than the blade 😅
So... maybe divers and knife nerds would want to remove any and all metallic components ?

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Re: Elastic Ceramic. Wow!

Postby Fireman » Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:01 am

sal wrote:
Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:03 pm
Hi Fireman,

What would someone want a fully non metallic knife for?

sal
Hi Sal.
An all carbon fiber handle would be unique and cool. I have a knife with micarta pins and it is one of my favorite features so why not an all carbon fiber handle? There could be some uses like mentioned that have places you don’t want metal but I was thinking as an ultra light knife that can’t corrode. I would definitely carry this as a neck knife for backpacking with its close to zero weight. Yes, paradord could be used but it’s not ideal a neck knife and an elegant carbon fiber handle would elevate or match the cool factor of the knife. If one were to want this for close security detail, they would probably prefer the black ceramic and a matching dark handle. Hazmat technicians may like this for its ability to not cause a spark in places where an explosion might occur. Seen a few videos of where a home filled with gas goes boom because of a gas leak. We carry gas monitors on the engines so we don’t walk into those situations because we are the first people on scene.
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Re: Elastic Ceramic. Wow!

Postby JestersHK » Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:21 am

I've been in a few no spark areas where we ditched all metal objects. Also did work around huge very strong magnets where we were stripped of anything metal.

Diving and boat use would have a great use case as well as mentioned already.

I also think the lightweight aspect is tops for me. Plus it's just the cool factor of anything non metallic is a neat feature in its own right.

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Postby ZrowsN1s » Wed Jan 18, 2023 2:22 pm

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Re: Elastic Ceramic. Wow!

Postby crazywednesday » Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:49 pm

This is going to be an epic drop.
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Re: Elastic Ceramic. Wow!

Postby JestersHK » Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:49 pm

Any guesses on when we think this will launch? Didn't want it to fall off the first page. Still super excited to get a few of these to try out.

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Re: Elastic Ceramic. Wow!

Postby Araignee » Tue Mar 07, 2023 9:30 am

Hopefully we'll get to order it by this spring, or summer at the latest 🙏

So excited as well !

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Re: Elastic Ceramic. Wow!

Postby vanka » Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:01 pm

Considering the fact the last mule in M398 at 80$ a piece is still in stock and we just got regular production SPY27 i would say second half of the year. If we're lucky. It's a shame really... M398 is a interesting steel to play with. Not saying it's in my top 10, but still very interesting. And approx. 1800 pieces released nearly 4 months ago and it's still in stock.

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Re: Elastic Ceramic. Wow!

Postby standy99 » Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:32 am

vanka wrote:
Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:01 pm
Considering the fact the last mule in M398 at 80$ a piece is still in stock and we just got regular production SPY27 i would say second half of the year. If we're lucky. It's a shame really... M398 is a interesting steel to play with. Not saying it's in my top 10, but still very interesting. And approx. 1800 pieces released nearly 4 months ago and it's still in stock.
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Re: Elastic Ceramic. Wow!

Postby Bolster » Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:22 pm

Multiple mentions of lightweight in this thread. Anyone take a guess as to how lightweight? A standard steel mule is around 2.7-2.8 oz (without scales or hardware).
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Re: Elastic Ceramic. Wow!

Postby horzuff » Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:44 am

They don't mention anywhere what is the exact material used, but apart from Tungsten Carbide most ceramics are much less dense than steel (Boron Carbide, Boron Nitride and Silicon Carbide are all at 2,1-3,5 g/cm^3 while steel is at around 7,8 g/cm^3). Just this alone would make it about 3 times lighter.

I just wonder if the blade would be made thinner to make it actually flexible (thinner is easier to bend but not break) or would it stay the exact same dimensions to go along the "rules" of the mule team (easy steel comparison by having the exact same platform, dimensionally speaking)

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Re: Elastic Ceramic. Wow!

Postby Ramonade » Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:00 pm

It makes me think about the folder made with almost only CF : The VC Edge Interface. The CF even sandwiches the blade. The knife is soooo light ! Makes me wonder if such ceramic could be use in a similar way
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Re: Elastic Ceramic. Wow!

Postby sal » Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:40 pm

It will be the same as our Mules.

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Re: Elastic Ceramic. Wow!

Postby horzuff » Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:36 am

sal wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:40 pm
It will be the same as our Mules.

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Makes perfect sense! Is the blade finish already decided? Are there even different possibilities?

By the way, is any info available about the composition of this ceramic material? Or is it proprietary and top-secret?

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Re: Elastic Ceramic. Wow!

Postby defenestrate » Thu Mar 23, 2023 5:34 pm

Definitely looking forward to trying one of these out someday. Glad to hear they are still coming along.


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