Who got a Z-Max?

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Re: Who got a Z-Max?

Postby z1r » Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:02 pm

Xplorer wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:25 am
Likely they will continue to be sold for high $$. I know that the Maxamet Mules sold for high $$ once they were sold out and I expect this one to be the same. When the market will command $150+ it just reminds me how thankful we should be to Sal and Spyderco for giving us such a great deal. :) :spyder:
Agreed. I feel very fortunate to have been lucky enough to acquire one.

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Re: Who got a Z-Max?

Postby JRinFL » Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:36 pm

The sad thing is is that the Mules were never meant to be collectibles, but us knife collectors are going to collect.
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Re: Who got a Z-Max?

Postby VooDooChild » Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:22 pm

JRinFL wrote: The sad thing is is that the Mules were never meant to be collectibles, but us knife collectors are going to collect.
The mule profile isnt exactly good and most of the times the mules really arent worth anything anyway. Theres nothing special about a cruwear or lc200n mule.

Maxamet and this Z-Max feel like the exception to me. Really nobody outside of a custom maker is going to try to work with this stuff or make a fixed blade out of it unless someone asked them to, and customs cost a good bit of money. So for me its part of the novelty, and it was cheap.

I think some people might think the same. Even at 2 to 3 times what spyderco charged, its probably the cheapest you could pick up a fixed blade in a material like this.

This is when the mule team makes sense to me. Supersteel fixed blade for super cheap in a material that your not likely to see outside of custom knives.

Conversely I didnt understand the hype around the s45vn mule at all.
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Re: Who got a Z-Max?

Postby Team Sick » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:07 pm

VoodooChild, I think Cruwear and LC200n have great properties that make those steels great fixed blade knives.
And regarding s45vn, JRinFl said it "...knife collectors are gonna collect."
Also, to standy99-don't you mean there's no money in "selling" what's not hot?

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Re: Who got a Z-Max?

Postby Fireman » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:20 pm

To me, LC200N is a super steel.
80% of the toughness of 3V. (32 vs 40 ft lbs)
Virtually rust free.
Decent edge holding.
Easy sharpening.
It is combination that will suit a lot of people’s needs and exceed most.
I am working on designing a thick stock custom camp Knife in LC200N that will take abuse and be impervious. I don’t see anything on the market that takes the full potential of the steel that a large camp knife would embody. I don’t see any steel like it. Vanax may cut more but it can’t handle any abuse and H1 won’t hold an edge as long as I would like.
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Re: Who got a Z-Max?

Postby VooDooChild » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:35 pm

Team Sick wrote: VoodooChild, I think Cruwear and LC200n have great properties that make those steels great fixed blade knives.
And regarding s45vn, JRinFl said it "...knife collectors are gonna collect."
Also, to standy99-don't you mean there's no money in "selling" what's not hot?
I completely agree, which is why there are several fixed blades that you can get those steels in. Or you can even try making your own knife with those "more reasonable" steels.

I was saying, for me, Im not jumping on the mules in more "normal" steels. I would personally rather have a different design, or a custom, or even attempt to make my own knife.

However when it comes to maxamet/zmax and more exotic stuff, the mules make a lot more sense to me. No other production fixed blades have it, it would be a pain to try to make one yourself, a custom guy is going to charge a lot, and you can get a mule from spyderco for cheap.

I wasnt knocking cruwear or lc200n as fixed blade steels, theyre amazing for that. I was just saying I dont get the "hype" of getting a mule in a more "normal" steels when there are other options with those steels.
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Re: Who got a Z-Max?

Postby Team Sick » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:25 pm

VoodooChild I get what you're saying about Cruwear/Lc200n/s45vn Mules. But, I bought a knife with s45vn before the Mule was available. I plan to test the hell out of it with different uses and sharpening techniques before attempting such feats with the knife I bought as the Mule was far less expensive. I bet the Z-Wear Mule will sell quickly also although that steel has been in production for a while too, (and it is virtually the same as Cruwear).

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Re: Who got a Z-Max?

Postby Fireman » Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:02 pm

That is a good point. See how the steel sharpens with the tools you have so you don’t mess up a knife 5x the price.
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Re: Who got a Z-Max?

Postby standy99 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:57 am

Team Sick wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:07 pm

Also, to standy99-don't you mean there's no money in "selling" what's not hot?
If there is no money in selling what’s not hot...buying what’s not hot is crazier :p
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Re: Who got a Z-Max?

Postby standy99 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:08 am

Early mules were in new steels before they were more mainstream.

The lag was due to the gap from stopping to restarting so s45vn and SPY27 would have probably been before we saw it appear in folders.

For me being able to put a handle on a Spyderco Blank is the hobby I enjoy and love being a part of.
Maybe I will go the next step and make blades myself but baby steps for now is fun.

Have made a few friends from just sharing my scale build and have had plenty of encouragement and tips from members here.

To me all mules are worth honing my scale skill on.

And yes I got a Zmax :D :D
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Re: Who got a Z-Max?

Postby archangel » Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:41 am

VooDooChild wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:22 pm
Conversely I didnt understand the hype around the s45vn mule at all.

This I did not understand either. There were/are other Spydies out in that steel, and tons more are to come. It must have been the price that made it sell out in no time. This, plus a feeling like "all the others did it with the last mule, so I need to do it this time, too". People need to question their motivation more thoroughly.
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Re: Who got a Z-Max?

Postby Team Sick » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:55 am

All in all, I got to admit participating in the Mule Team is fun and an aspect of knife collecting that's unique to Spyderco. Love it!

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Re: Who got a Z-Max?

Postby PBWilson » Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:20 am

I personally like the Mule design, even for steels that aren't the pinnacle of edge holding. I've been getting a good deal of use out of my CTS-XHP Mule and I like it for the high flat grind and for the acute point. With contoured scales, it locks into my hand.

I spent a number of years fumbling around with thick saber ground knives that were terribly blunt behind the edge and with points that were of no use other than breaking cinder blocks. This Mule design really works for me as a skillful cutting tool.

I can see that the handle kind of dictates one grip and might not work so well if you have huge mitts. I also don't care for the finger guard so much. It kinda gets in the way if you are using it as a kitchen knife against a cutting board. Minor issues really. The answer is to use a tool better suited for the job. I doubt that my produce or meat really need the carbides of a super steel anyway...

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Re: Who got a Z-Max?

Postby Michael Janich » Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:22 am

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Re: Who got a Z-Max?

Postby bbturbodad » Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:59 pm

Got mine today. It had a nice even grind out of the box but wasn't as sharp as I like so I gave it a few passes on the 1200 grit (3/2 micron) Venev stone and now it has a nice polished toothy tree topping edge. The steel feels "lively" compared to my PMA11 mule which has a heavier dense feel when sharpening.
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Re: Who got a Z-Max?

Postby Tucson Tom » Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:12 pm

Well, I missed the S45 mule, but I would have bought two if I had had my act together (and been lucky enough). Not so much because I thought it was the hottest, latest steel -- but because I really do intend to start making handles like some of the artists have done in this group. There is nothing at all wrong with S45VN (or S30V for that matter) -- it will make a darn nice knife. Same for SPY27 (and I do have two of those to develop my handle making skills on).

Now Zmax is something else entirely -- A steel that pushes the envelope and will be interesting to learn about. It will be interesting to compare to my PMA11 mule (which I see right here) which has been one of my all time favorites. The steel that never needs to be sharpened.

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Re: Who got a Z-Max?

Postby Fireman » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:06 pm

Z-Max mule interests me because it trades some edge retention for more toughness. I hate a chippy blade but I will try to watch any lateral force on this.
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Re: Who got a Z-Max?

Postby VooDooChild » Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:53 pm

Tucson Tom wrote: Well, I missed the S45 mule, but I would have bought two if I had had my act together (and been lucky enough). Not so much because I thought it was the hottest, latest steel -- but because I really do intend to start making handles like some of the artists have done in this group. There is nothing at all wrong with S45VN (or S30V for that matter) -- it will make a darn nice knife. Same for SPY27 (and I do have two of those to develop my handle making skills on).

Now Zmax is something else entirely -- A steel that pushes the envelope and will be interesting to learn about. It will be interesting to compare to my PMA11 mule (which I see right here) which has been one of my all time favorites. The steel that never needs to be sharpened.
I must admit when I said I didnt get the hype I forgot how cool it is to make your own handles.
My buddy is a wood worker and I have had him save me all his scrap wood. Gonna go pick through it in a day or two.

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Re: Who got a Z-Max?

Postby Fireman » Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:31 am

This one is trying to get $200 for theirs.
Should I be glad that it will get into the hands of someone willing to pay $200 and be in a better home?

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Re: Who got a Z-Max?

Postby archangel » Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:14 pm

Mine already arrived at Germany. Is now at my "friends" of Customs.....
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