Might we see a Starling 2?

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Might we see a Starling 2?

Postby araneae » Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:06 pm

I always liked the Starling, it was a very close clone of the Ladybug in terms of handle design. I liked the blade shape too and preferred it greatly to the Finch. Perhaps my taste was different than the wider market as we have seen a Finch 2 surface. I would love to see the model return, it was a perfect budget keychain knife and in my opinion deserves a return to the lineup. Maybe G-10, maybe FRN- either way I'd buy it.
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Re: Might we see a Starling 2?

Postby sal » Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:58 pm

We could't get the quality from the maker on the model so it was discod.

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Re: Might we see a Starling 2?

Postby araneae » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:15 pm

Perhaps the Crow/Raven maker???
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Re: Might we see a Starling 2?

Postby sal » Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:13 am

Hi Araneae,

Between you and me, I really liked the design. I thought it would serve a reasonable market at an affordable price point. An inexpensive Ladybug sized model. The market rejected the model. We could never get the quality out of the maker that we wanted, though I must admit that he's doing a good job on the new Raven2 and Crow2 so I must keep the concept on the table (we have a very large concept table).

We still have the tooling, so let's have the discussion. We believe a significant percentage of the rejection was the quality. So if we were to redesign the model using the existing handle tooling, what to do? First thought is to tighten up the tolerances and go full flat satin blade, no coating. What would you do to make the model better?

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Re: Might we see a Starling 2?

Postby Peter1960 » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:11 pm

sal wrote:What would you do to make the model better?
I can only speak for my person:
The design is still good and deserves a prolongation; only a better spring quality in the backlock is necessary (I have had two broken springs :o )
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Re: Might we see a Starling 2?

Postby sal » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:23 pm

Thanx Peter. Good input.

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Re: Might we see a Starling 2?

Postby araneae » Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:01 pm

Hi Sal,
I would as you said, drop the coating and go to a FFG. Doesn't need much tinkering with if the quality is there. Keychain knives seem to be very popular in colors aside from black, maybe dropping a few variations like orange, pink and blue would help boost sales? As I said, its a very nice LBK worth a second visit.
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Re: Might we see a Starling 2?

Postby araneae » Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:23 am

According to a Shot Show video, this might be a possibility, a G-10 and CTS- BD1 Starling proto came out of Sal's pocket!
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Re: Might we see a Starling 2?

Postby jmh58 » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:43 am

araneae wrote:According to a Shot Show video, this might be a possibility, a G-10 and CTS- BD1 Starling proto came out of Sal's pocket!
KOOL!!! Here is to hoping... :D John :cool:
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Re: Might we see a Starling 2?

Postby Larry_Mott » Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:28 pm

As far as i am concerned, just scrap the coating, keep the blade grind and just bring it up to Raven/Crow quality (which IMO is excellent and at least rival their value line counterparts)
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Re: Might we see a Starling 2?

Postby araneae » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:43 pm

Larry_Mott wrote:As far as i am concerned, just scrap the coating, keep the blade grind and just bring it up to Raven/Crow quality (which IMO is excellent and at least rival their value line counterparts)
That was basically what it appeared to be, no coating, g-10 and cts.
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Re: Might we see a Starling 2?

Postby Sirens1 » Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:32 pm

That would be so cool. I am very impressed with the Raven 2 quality and look forward to checking out any new Byrds!

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Re: Might we see a Starling 2?

Postby Larry_Mott » Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:30 am

araneae wrote:
Larry_Mott wrote:As far as i am concerned, just scrap the coating, keep the blade grind and just bring it up to Raven/Crow quality (which IMO is excellent and at least rival their value line counterparts)
That was basically what it appeared to be, no coating, g-10 and cts.
Which video was that? Guess i wasn't paying attention.. or missed that particular video
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EDIT: Found it, and Sal - great minds etc.. :)
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Re: Might we see a Starling 2?

Postby sal » Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:40 am

We have one in-the-works.

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Re: Might we see a Starling 2?

Postby Larry_Mott » Thu Feb 18, 2016 12:55 pm

sal wrote:We have one in-the-works.

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Great news! Will get one for sure!
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Re: Might we see a Starling 2?

Postby araneae » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:18 pm

sal wrote:We have one in-the-works.

sal
Awesome news. Looking forward to it.
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Re: Might we see a Starling 2?

Postby Chinook3 » Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:27 am

Any models made from the same maker as Raven 2 I'm in! Great quality for price point.
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Re: Might we see a Starling 2?

Postby Larry_Mott » Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:33 pm

Chinook3 wrote:Any models made from the same maker as Raven 2 I'm in! Great quality for price point.
Second that! I'm converting people weekly thanks to my Raven 2 LOL :)
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Re: Might we see a Starling 2?

Postby araneae » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:49 pm

Are we close Sal?
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Re: Might we see a Starling 2?

Postby araneae » Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:00 am

Bumping.
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