Model request : Pry-Byrd - specialised knife w/ blade for light prying

Discuss Spyderco's byrd knives.
Araignee
Member
Posts: 97
Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:17 pm

Model request : Pry-Byrd - specialised knife w/ blade for light prying

Postby Araignee » Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:30 am

Yes, it's that time-tested, controversial topic again :winking-tongue

So... I keep ruining my blades' tips (more specifically the edges) trying to pry open food cans, such as this one :

Image

Typically the metal cap is screwed too tightly to the glass, so to open it I need to either punch a hole in the cap (but rust will eventually form, and the food will no longer be protected by an airtight seal) or pry from the sides - damaging my blade in the process.

So what would solve my issue would be a cheap, small knife with a blade made for prying.

For the record, another forumer mentionned the need to separate frozen food with a thin enough prying tool, a need which an actual pry bar wouldn't address.

A quick search returned an article from 2016 entitled 10 knives you can pry with. That's a useful collection of references, however there are several issues, given that some models either :
  • Don't exist anymore
  • Are too pricey
  • Feature a prying part which is too large
  • Just feature a pry bar beside a normal blade
  • Are just a pry bar with a sharpened side
Then I found other models which don't exactly fit my needs either.

The Benchmade Boost 591BK is a folding knife which is good, but a relatively big (21cm open) and expensive (170€) :

Image

The TOPS Mini Pry Knife MPK01 is a fixed blade knife, that is relatively big (20cm open) and expensive (150€+) :

Image

The Mantis MT7.2 B looks like a better fit, given it has nice steel (S30V), nice G10 handles, and is much cheaper (80$). However it's also on the relatively bigger side (20cm open), its ergonomics aren't the best (small tabs on the blade, hardly accessible liner lock), and also I don't this it's available outside of the USA.

Image

Therefore my proposal is for Spyderco to make a Pry-Byrd based on the Robin 2.

The reasons for this are multiple :
  • Byrd is a cost-conscious brand which can release affordable knives
  • Hence customers will be less apprehensive using a knife as a prying tool (even if they ruin it, it won't be too costly)
  • The Robin 2 is a successful platform whose compact size and ergonomics are perfect for a carry-everywhere, light duty prying tool
  • Most of the R&D is done (see below) so additional research into the matter shouldn't be too expensive
As to how the Robin 2's modified blad could look like : forumers have been using the Byrd Wings and the Byrd Rescue 2 to pry, so perhaps the new Robin 2 Wharncliffe's blade could be used as a base ? It could be made thicker overall, and perhaps even more towards the tip. The tip could also be made blunt and/or clipped to a tiny extent.

User avatar
sal
Member
Posts: 15119
Joined: Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:00 pm
Location: Golden, Colorado USA

Re: Model request : Pry-Byrd - specialised knife w/ blade for light prying

Postby sal » Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:50 pm

Hi Araignee,

Typically, these types or designs are not big sellers, so the demand might be in question. I'll watch the thread,

sal

User avatar
JRinFL
Member
Posts: 3444
Joined: Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:30 am
Location: Unfashionable West End of the Galaxy

Re: Model request : Pry-Byrd - specialised knife w/ blade for light prying

Postby JRinFL » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:45 pm

I'd rather see a secondary pry blade added to some models. Non-locking could work if the design was right.
"...it costs nothing to be polite." - Winston Churchill Not every choiless knife needs a choil, not every knife with a choil needs it removed. Not every big knife needs a Lil' companion. Most Nobel Order of the Sock Drawer - Member 0001 The Knight who says NO
Friends call me Jim. As do my foes. Used to be JR in CT with a much earlier join date.

User avatar
Cl1ff
Member
Posts: 424
Joined: Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:35 pm

Re: Model request : Pry-Byrd - specialised knife w/ blade for light prying

Postby Cl1ff » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:58 pm

From my experience and the testing I’ve seen, the tip of a knife using steel about as tough as CPM154 will handle some pretty sketchy prying into wood without snapping so long as the blade is ~1/8 inch thick ~1/4 behind the tip.

However, it sounds like what you need is something that also has good edge stability.
That can be achieved by a thicker edge or a stable steel, or both.

I’m all for new Byrd models. I’ve even sketched a few knife designs to be resistant to the occasional prying abuse. It’s a use that I think is simply normal for many people, so it’s natural to look for a solution.

What knives have you been using until now?
Knowing that would make it easier to give suggestions for already existing knives that may solve your problem because we’d have a reference point for what isn’t working.
If you’re interested, of course.
rex121 is the king of steel, but nature’s teeth have been cutting for hundreds of millions of years and counting :cool:

User avatar
Cl1ff
Member
Posts: 424
Joined: Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:35 pm

Re: Model request : Pry-Byrd - specialised knife w/ blade for light prying

Postby Cl1ff » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:05 pm

JRinFL wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:45 pm
I'd rather see a secondary pry blade added to some models. Non-locking could work if the design was right.
I actually like this too, so an initial suggestion in light of this is the Spyderco Clipitool. Either the Rescue or Standard versions depending on your preferences. https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/detail ... escue/1122
rex121 is the king of steel, but nature’s teeth have been cutting for hundreds of millions of years and counting :cool:

User avatar
JRinFL
Member
Posts: 3444
Joined: Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:30 am
Location: Unfashionable West End of the Galaxy

Re: Model request : Pry-Byrd - specialised knife w/ blade for light prying

Postby JRinFL » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:09 pm

Cl1ff wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:05 pm
JRinFL wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:45 pm
I'd rather see a secondary pry blade added to some models. Non-locking could work if the design was right.
I actually like this too, so an initial suggestion in light of this is the Spyderco Clipitool. Either the Rescue or Standard versions depending on your preferences. https://www.spyderco.com/catalog/detail ... escue/1122
Yes, that would work with the hook being replaced by a dedicated pry tool.
"...it costs nothing to be polite." - Winston Churchill Not every choiless knife needs a choil, not every knife with a choil needs it removed. Not every big knife needs a Lil' companion. Most Nobel Order of the Sock Drawer - Member 0001 The Knight who says NO
Friends call me Jim. As do my foes. Used to be JR in CT with a much earlier join date.

Araignee
Member
Posts: 97
Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:17 pm

Re: Model request : Pry-Byrd - specialised knife w/ blade for light prying

Postby Araignee » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:31 am

sal wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:50 pm
Hi Araignee,

Typically, these types or designs are not big sellers, so the demand might be in question. I'll watch the thread,

sal
Thanks for chiming in Sal, I understand that sales potential would play an important part in the equation.

I think that, at least in the online community (which admittedly is relatively small), the stigma surrounding one's knife to perform prying operations may also be a commercial hindrance.

Araignee
Member
Posts: 97
Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:17 pm

Re: Model request : Pry-Byrd - specialised knife w/ blade for light prying

Postby Araignee » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:47 am

Cl1ff wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:58 pm
From my experience and the testing I’ve seen, the tip of a knife using steel about as tough as CPM154 will handle some pretty sketchy prying into wood without snapping so long as the blade is ~1/8 inch thick ~1/4 behind the tip.

However, it sounds like what you need is something that also has good edge stability.
That can be achieved by a thicker edge or a stable steel, or both.

I’m all for new Byrd models. I’ve even sketched a few knife designs to be resistant to the occasional prying abuse. It’s a use that I think is simply normal for many people, so it’s natural to look for a solution.

What knives have you been using until now?
Knowing that would make it easier to give suggestions for already existing knives that may solve your problem because we’d have a reference point for what isn’t working.
If you’re interested, of course.
Glad to learn that we're pretty much on the same page Cl1ff, and I'd love to see some of your sketches assuming you're willing to share them publicly 👍

As you say it's a natural reflex to use one's knife to pry on the go, thus it'd make sense to that this actual use case into account when designing a blade for EDC duties, let's say. (Of course this can conflict with other EDC needs, such as producing very thin slices).

Up to now I've mainly ruined used my Meadowlark 2, though it's the Robin 2 that I'm more comfortable with - and which IMHO is also best suited for this kind of task. You don't want a blade that is too long when prying.

As a stop gap, I've been looking at procuring a Swiss army knife with a punch tool, which could be used to pry.
This video is interesting because the reviewer presented a bunch of other swiss knives with chisel-like tools, and the particular tip below looks like the sort of tip I'd like to see on a Pry-Byrd (though obviously the whole blade couldn't be as thick !) :

Image


Return to “byrd Knife General Discussion”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests